8:44.33 WR, 3:31.18 by 17 yr old: Monaco doing TOO much

I don’t think she lives in Holland, though.

https://twitter.com/sombram/status/1020439519982649344?s=21

VIPAM wrote:

I dont know which is harder to believe an 8:44.33 steeple by a woman or 17 year old running 3:31.18 for 1500m. The women's 800m will have alot of momentum off earlier performances, hell 1:51 wouldn't surprise. This meet is too much....oh yeah 7 men under 3:32. Really Monaco?

Where the Americans at bro?

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol ?

Anyone know the website that rates track performances? Wondering which has the highest rating:

World records

Paula's 2:15:08 marathon

Beatrice 8:44.32 steeple

Wang 8:06.11 3000m

El Keniano wrote:

I don’t think she lives in Holland, though.

https://twitter.com/sombram/status/1020439519982649344?s=21

I don't know just relaying what Cram said.

El Keniano, it is truly mind-numbing that you repeatedly translate "Doping is not controlled" into "trashing Kenya."

There is more than enough evidence to show that doping is not controlled there well, from corruption in the association, to pre-notification of whereabouts, to bribing of testers and requests for bribes (see Kiprop), to many positives anyway, including of some of the top people.

Where the Americans at? How about an average 54 point victory in the World Under 17 Basketball championship??

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/24062085/nba-draft-scouting-best-prospects-fiba-17-world-cup

I can believe that Bram Som is a very good coach, as he was a fine competitor and outstanding pacer.

However, Beatrice Chepkoech is 27 years old and only three years ago, her pr in the 800m was 2:05 (it still is, and prior to that it was 2:10), but somehow she ran 14:39 last year at 26 and now 8:44 in the steeple. Can anyone guess who her agent is?

Yes, absolutely right, it is Jos Hermens.

what you have to do is consider conditions in relation to the time.

monaco results are obviously fake in a sense, where guys run a PR by 3 seconds or something all the time.

when you look and moe's 328 1500, that's not in any comparable a track back in the day.

in fact, moe could have done 327 if he wasn't stranded without drafting for quite some time.

wheating's 330 gave him the illusion that it was like 330 anywhere, no way. though wheating definitely had 142 written all over him. it was the biggest mistake of all to do distance, vs getting the 400 down, and concentrating on the 8. who thought that garbage up?

the athletes especially should know themselves that a monaco is a couple of seconds fast, plus if you get the pacing and drafting, we're talking 5 seconds to the benefit. it you want to take the reality further and consider dirt, grass and cinders, its more than that, however, some of the hard clay tracks, and hard grass is pretty fast too..

in horse racing, they don't really pay much attention to the horse that has a world record, though it is a nice feather in the cap.

running can learn a lot about horse racing, the sport is far more developed, and some of the training principles have yet to be applied properly. the main thing is that horse trainers really respect the red line, and they focus on quality and recovery.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

El Keniano, it is truly mind-numbing that you repeatedly translate "Doping is not controlled" into "trashing Kenya."

There is more than enough evidence to show that doping is not controlled there well, from corruption in the association, to pre-notification of whereabouts, to bribing of testers and requests for bribes (see Kiprop), to many positives anyway, including of some of the top people.

Better watch out, soon you'll be labelled every "ist" under the sun.

BTW Moen moved to Kenya to train with Renato last year going from 2:12 to an area record 2:05, Renato is always trying to persuade us that there's nothing to see here, so Moen to speak is interesting.

ex-runner wrote:

Ok when I saw this 8:44 I immediately thought drugs, what with Jebet being popped for EPO.

Then I found out that this girl lives and trains in Holland and is coached by Bram Som! This makes her startlingly legitimate.

When I thought about it, 8:44 isn't unreasonable given how fast some women including Laura Muir have run for 3000m.

She DOESN'T live in Holland and stays in Kenya for months at a time in the off season, just like Mo going to E. Africa where he trained with known drug cheats and no doubt shot up with wonder drugs while out of reach of testers. You SJW frauds always make up stories to defend the noble third world peoples who would never do anything wrong. Except cheat to win because certain people want them to win.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

I can believe that Bram Som is a very good coach, as he was a fine competitor and outstanding pacer.

However, Beatrice Chepkoech is 27 years old and only three years ago, her pr in the 800m was 2:05 (it still is, and prior to that it was 2:10), but somehow she ran 14:39 last year at 26 and now 8:44 in the steeple. Can anyone guess who her agent is?

Yes, absolutely right, it is Jos Hermens.

Hermens was a cheat as a runner. Beatrice spends most of her time training in E. Africa. This is a joke. Yep. The green light has been given to the Africans to dope year round at will. This will take away the stigma of the Kiprop mess, make them able to play it and the implications off as a mistake.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

El Keniano, it is truly mind-numbing that you repeatedly translate "Doping is not controlled" into "trashing Kenya."

There is more than enough evidence to show that doping is not controlled there well, from corruption in the association, to pre-notification of whereabouts, to bribing of testers and requests for bribes (see Kiprop), to many positives anyway, including of some of the top people.

El Keniano isn't even a Kenyan. He's another limp-wristed soy boy Rupp hating SJW. Might a hasbro-rat to boot.

ex-runner wrote:

Ok when I saw this 8:44 I immediately thought drugs, what with Jebet being popped for EPO.

Then I found out that this girl lives and trains in Holland and is coached by Bram Som!This makes her startlingly legitimate.

When I thought about it, 8:44 isn't unreasonable given how fast some women including Laura Muir have run for 3000m.

You are classic, 8:44 is mega suspicious, you label Coevett a racist yet your mind is reassured when you hear she is coached by Bram Som. Why? Because he's white? Because he's Dutch? Because he's run 1:43? Som is tied up with Hermens, Seppelt showed us all that Hermens was tied up with crooked TdF doctors. Why? Geb couldn't explain that one.

8:44 is way, way better than anything Laura Muir has done, it is the equivalent of a sub 8:00 3,000m or 13:41 for 5,000m, over a minute quicker than Muir. In fact it might well be one the best female records.

Oh there's more,

Subway Surfers wrote:

8:44 is way, way better than anything Laura Muir has done, it is the equivalent of a sub 8:00 3,000m or 13:41 for 5,000m, over a minute quicker than Muir. In fact it might well be one the best female records.

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What are you talking? Your numbers are ridiculous

No because Holland has good testing procedures.

Coevett thinks Kenyans living in America are likely to be doping because they are Africans.

Outlier performances by ANY athlete are suspicious. Like Coe's 1:41 in 1981. For him it's suspicions if any African athlete runs any half decent time like 3:33

said88 wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

8:44 is way, way better than anything Laura Muir has done, it is the equivalent of a sub 8:00 3,000m or 13:41 for 5,000m, over a minute quicker than Muir. In fact it might well be one the best female records.

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What are you talking? Your numbers are ridiculous

Yes they are ridiculous. The women's 3k steeple is a weak event. Potential doping aside, 8:44 is such an improvement that you must rethink what's possible in that event.

This girl isnt going to run 13:41 or 7:59 is she. She will probably be a 14:20, 8:20 athlete or so. The barriers are small, if you put Obiri in the steeple she would probably run something in the 8:4x range also.

Most of the women's steeplechase runners can't run 8:40 for a flat 3k. There are women running right now like Muir who can run 8:20-25. Plus 20 seconds for those mini barriers and you have 8:44.

Aside from the women’s steeple being embarrassingly weak, Beatrice’s technique is as technically perfect as you’ll get. Better, even, than the Americans, unlike Cellipine Chespol who does a weird side hop like she’s on an unruly pogo stick. And she’s an 8:28 runner on the flat, so voila!

said88 wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

8:44 is way, way better than anything Laura Muir has done, it is the equivalent of a sub 8:00 3,000m or 13:41 for 5,000m, over a minute quicker than Muir. In fact it might well be one the best female records.

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What are you talking? Your numbers are ridiculous

WTH are you talking about? Here's the official table equivalent

1061 7:59.18 8:44.18 8:36.30 13:41.99 28:47.04

1060 7:59.35 8:44.42 8:36.49 13:42.28 28:47.71

1059 7:59.52 8:44.65 8:36.67 13:42.57 28:48.38

Not a single point you made was correct, I destroyed every point.