COURTNEY MOTHER FV<KIN FRERICHS

Thicc Anime Girls wrote:

Courtney clean WR holder. NOICE.

Get rid of the racism and grow up.

Maybe so wrote:

Coburn's demise has been coming, we have seen over her last series of races. Being self and husband coached is her trip up. She still has the ability, but will not maximize being coached by her hubby.

That's total nonsense, and wrong.

Coburn has run her best times with her husband as coach.

Someone said Jager was just Marsh 2.0? How many Olympic medals did Marsh have?

Interviews with Chepkoech and Frerichs.

https://twitter.com/iaaforg/status/1020406450290675713

Hardly joking and my version will hold up, far beyond the conventional wisdom that is paraded around here. Frerichs has never demonstrated that she is willing to risk being the best in the world, other than that brief surge on the London backstretch last year from maybe 300 meters out to 200 meters out.

Full credit to that move. It made the race. I immediately emphasized it at the time. Otherwise everyone else was going to lollygag to the water jump.

However, Frerichs has done nothing subsequently to indicate that was career changing boldness. Later that season she reverted to running deep in the pack in 3000s, and then somehow she agreed to pacing duties. Then this season she got a late start and almost invariably has settled deeper in the pack than that world championship race. That was true yesterday.

Sorry, that is not impressive unless you are a sucker. The higher up the ladder in athletics you don't win from the rear. The exceptions are meaningless. The best in the world realize the front end is the ticket.

I was hoping Frerichs would grasp from London that she needs to be ahead of Coburn throughout, not trailing her. It hasn't played out that way and I am not surprised. When these women run 9:08 instead of 8:44, Frerichs with her non-aggressive mode will finish in 9:12 or thereabouts.

Concur!

So you complain about people pitting the two great American steeplechasers against each other on the women's side, then you trash talk Jager?

Awsi Dooger wrote:

Coburn is still superior to Frerichs, who doesn't risk the front end. When you are content to remain back in the pack in fields of this caliber, you'll occasionally pick up the pieces when others falter but you aren't a serious contender for best in the world.

I guarantee the other countries still fear Coburn more than Frerichs, just like Jager is respected more than another American male who would linger in 5th or 6th place throughout, race after race.

Like it matters. The women's steeple is now a race for silver as long as Chepkoech doesn't forget to run the water jump, neither of the Americans will beat her from the front

I love Emma, but you are an idiot. You are drawing broad conclusions with limited datapoints, and unless you are actually Courtney herself, you have no idea what is going on in Courtney's head. Emma has been very good for a very long time, but Courtney has been improving dramatically in the last couple of years. Courtney > Emma at this point.

Awsi Dooger wrote:

bloviating wrote:

We just witnessed the end to Coburn’s dominance over US women’s steeple. It’s been coming but the rapid improvement by Frerichs only points to her getting stronger or maintaining the pole position for several years.

Coburn is still superior to Frerichs, who doesn't risk the front end. When you are content to remain back in the pack in fields of this caliber, you'll occasionally pick up the pieces when others falter but you aren't a serious contender for best in the world.

I guarantee the other countries still fear Coburn more than Frerichs, just like Jager is respected more than another American male who would linger in 5th or 6th place throughout, race after race.

Can't believe people are critical of Courtney's race tactics . She runs the pace that best maximizes her ability.

Maybe Emma should chill out and hang back with her?

Wise old coach wrote:

Awsi Dooger wrote:

Coburn is still superior to Frerichs, who doesn't risk the front end. When you are content to remain back in the pack in fields of this caliber, you'll occasionally pick up the pieces when others falter but you aren't a serious contender for best in the world.

I guarantee the other countries still fear Coburn more than Frerichs, just like Jager is respected more than another American male who would linger in 5th or 6th place throughout, race after race.

Can't believe people are critical of Courtney's race tactics . She runs the pace that best maximizes her ability.

Maybe Emma should chill out and hang back with her?

I dunno. I can't find fault with either of their races. Neither should have gone with Chepkoech. Both stayed on point for a c. 9:00 finish. Emma faltered in the last 600m while Courtney didn't. I don't think Emma could've done anything different... just didn't have it - maybe wasn't fit enough, or just didn't have the fire that day. Courtney did.

Emma did congratulate Courtney over twitter, but you could tell it was a bit of a tough pill to swallow. Courtney responded with 'thanks, can't wait to do battle again in Brussels and maybe we both break 9:00.' (Or something to that effect).

No response from Emma.

Are the steeplechasers update?