Justin Gatlin 9.74 letting up - Are you kidding me?

420Mile wrote:

It's ALWAYS impressive when a two-time drug cheat champion can run one of the fastest times ever.

I always have said that doping does work not in Africans - same applies to African Americans because genetics. I am just surprised, he doped in past. Clearly must been have a thing mental.

rojo wrote:

Wow. I want whatever Gatlin's got. Jesus. 9.74 letting up. Seriously. Hand the guy the gold right now. Barring a doping positive, how does he lose?

That has to be the fastest time ever run in May right?

That was amazing.

And yet you are still in love with the rotten teeth-cheating-ho-brit-doper paula radcliffe.

Not to mention that distance runners, and marathoners in particular, have often been great into their late 30s. Age generally catches up with sprinters a lot sooner.

Not to throw a little cold water on this discussion but over on the z15 sprint zone board it is posted that the US team took speed measurements at World Relays in the non-exchange zone parts and Gatlin was significantly slower than Bolt. In fact he was even slower than Ryan Bailey. Gatlin was 11.41 meters per second while Bolt was 11.71 and Bailey was 11.50. Now I will give you Gatlin is a better starter than Bolt and Bailey but that's a huge difference!

Moot points.

Gatlin is getting YEARS of residual benefits of drug use. He has such an incredible base of strength and speed due to being able to run fast times, lift heavier weights etc. for years doping.

Michael Sweet of Stryper wrote:

Gatlin gun wrote:

I had my best speed at 33. It's really not that big a deal to be faster as you get older.

Not a big deal, except that it hasn't happened to anybody else, with the exception of the equally suspect Kim Collins.

That's because sprinters let up and coast the last 5 years of their career.

Work ethic.

TrackCoach wrote:I am also predicting Ryan Bailey will go 9.8x in his next 100m. This is based on his indoor 60m, which was outstanding for big man and in that race in Jamaica he was left in the blocks badly and still ran 9.93.

6.57i is not impressive for any guy hoping to run 9.8+, albeit he maya been closer to 6.50 at indoor peak

6.57 is an outdoor ~ 10.14 basic

his 9.93 ( +1.8 ) = ~ 10.02 basic

his start was crap, maybe 6.60 basic at 60m point

he is finishing with ~ 3.42s which is

~ 9.84 basic finish

his strength is his last 40m

it is 9.84 basic calibre finish

if he coud tack on 6.50i + 3.42, then he coud go 9.92 basic which will dip him into 9.8s with a good wind

his potential however, is severely limited by that poor initial 60m

( safa never ran a great 60mi but in his rieti 9.78 ( 0 wind ) he split 6.39 )

you need to be hitting 6.40 at 60m in this day'n'age to stand ghost of a chance

jjjjj wrote:

he's been caught doping twice already! What other proof do you need? On the positive side, this might actually get Bolt to train hard for World Champs.

I actually don't believe this. In my mind, he was really caught once. His college thing was a joke. He was taking ADHD medicine and got busted for that.

Blazing saddles wrote:Not to throw a little cold water on this discussion but over on the z15 sprint zone board it is posted that the US team took speed measurements at World Relays in the non-exchange zone parts and Gatlin was significantly slower than Bolt. In fact he was even slower than Ryan Bailey. Gatlin was 11.41 meters per second while Bolt was 11.71 and Bailey was 11.50. Now I will give you Gatlin is a better starter than Bolt and Bailey but that's a huge difference!

there must be some serious drivel spouted over there

gatlin just ran 9.74

neither bolt let alone bailey are currently in 9.74 shape, so those "speed measurements" are crap & probably taken with a sundial !!!

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Star wrote:

Bolt ran 9.72 in May 2008.

He also ran 9.76 in early May that year.

Also, Gatlin himself ran 9.77 in May 2006 (but the time was later removed from the books)

It may be fair to be suspicious of anyone running that fast in May, huh?

No, because different athletes peak at different point in the year, some are able to hold their peak for a longer time

Someone running fast early has nothing to do with doping and shouldn't make you suspicious

Rojo was making the point about running fast in May.

I just showed him that this isn't the fastest time run in May.

And if a May fast time makes you suspicious then you must be just as suspicious of Bolt.

rojo wrote:That was amazing

He has what appears a lot of training bulk on him

( which is not at all surprising as that relay meet & now Doha, he probably just came off his hard off-season weight-training )

which he shoud train off at season peak with no discernible power-loss

I reckon he looks ~ 200 lb currently

At season peak, he shoud be around 190 - 195

Assuming no power loss, his 9.74 coud expect to go down to ( asssuming same hot weather )

9.74 * ( 195 / 200 )^(1/3) = ~ 9.66

9.74 * ( 190 / 200 )^(1/3) = ~ 9.58

I do think he will go 9.6-flat/low this year

( add in some sharpening to above )

Gatlin gun wrote:

I had my best speed at 33. It\'s really not that big a deal to be faster as you get older.

Were you doping in your mid twenties as well?

Every druggie says hard work, that's the problem. Gatlin is too stupid to even try and gear down and make his time look plausible. I hope he gets popped in the next year or so.

The brojos said that Bolt "could be" clean. If Bolt is clean, what could he run dirty? 8.97??

Everything is guess work and everyone is going to believe what they have predetermined to believe about Gatlin, but one argument that should get dropped is about him being faster now. Yes he is hitting PRs at 33, but he was a BEAST (drugged up one sure, but BEAST nonetheless) who was just scratching the surface when he got busted. There is no doubt he would have been running in the 9.6x if not banned. Who knows, he may have always been a threat to Bolt had he been competing during Bolt's rise.

Dragon Runner wrote:

The brojos said that Bolt "could be" clean. If Bolt is clean, what could he run dirty? 8.97??

No. Doping does not make 0.6s difference. Maybe 0.1. Otherwise you're saying Bolt would run 10.18 clean and some clean 10.10 guy could come down and destroy him.

Sir do you know how hard it is to train with weights and run. The only way he could be clean is if the theory that once you take a PED cocktail there is a form of an acid flashback of the benefits of the PED's in his system. Anyway Meme Meme Hernández es el mejor.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Gatlin gun wrote:

I had my best speed at 33. It's really not that big a deal to be faster as you get older.

Were you doping in your mid twenties as well?

Nope to the dope

IGF-1 LR3 simples.

AS said changed the face of athletics and many sports ..................

microdose testosterone and epo.

think the epo is the difference since last year with speed endurance