Who's more annoying, the hardcore right or the hardcore left?

I figured this thread would bring out both. But really, there is no hardcore left in this country--no one of any importance on that side is advocating immediate overthrow of the gov't and/or other dominant institutions, as is common elsewhere in the world. Ultimately, that's the final victory for the right.

Middle of the Road wrote:Whatever. I am pretty much a straight-up heartless capitalist but two of my big issues are protecting the environment and supporting gay marriage. Where does that put me?

Again, please site a SPECIFIC example - this is the typical response I hear, 'OReilly ALWAYS does this and'. Please give some examples of how his FACTS are 1-sided, I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily, but you're not stating anything concrete.

And that post about Maher - I'm assuming that's supposed to be sarcastic. Come on, the guy typically has 3 panelists on his show and 2 of the 3 are far left so you essentially have a 3 against 1 situation on just about every show. Compound that with an audience akin to Oprah's that would applaud him if he did anything short of take a sh#t on the stage.

The most famous is his April 27 2004 claim that "they've lost billions of dollars in France according to the Paris Business Review" because of his boycott of France. Exports to the US actually went up, and there is no such publication as the Paris Business Review. Then there's his claim of winning Peabody awards.

Specific examples, please?

OK, so the most poignant thing you have is from OVER 3yrs ago. Wow, impressive. That's like siting Centro's 2mi PR from him Frosh yr and saying he has no shot at winning NON. Nice work - anything maybe in the last 12mo, anything?

As for Maher, let's just look at the (2) most recent episodes from his site - notice I could go digging further, but lets look at the last few weeks and you tell me if this sways more to the Left or Right:

May 18

Dem Harold Ford Jr (LEFT)

Sean Penn (so far LEFT he should count 2x)

Garry Shandling (borderline, but no doubt still LEFT)

Sanjay Gupta (I'll leave him as neutral - served under Hillary & Bush)

April 27

Jamie Tarabay (reporter for NPR - doesn't get much further LEFT)

Lisa Schiffren (I'll leave her as neutral despite her stance on gay marriage)

Dennis Kucinich (LEFT)

David Iglesias (2yrs ago right, I'm not so sure he's a huge fan of the Bush administration esp after the events of the previous 9mo, but I'll leave him as neutral as my gift to you)

So, just looking at the last 8 guests, we have:

Left/FAR LEFT: 5

Neutral: 3

Right: ZERO

So if we have a panel and include Maher, we have 6 panelists whom are Left or FAR FAR LEFT, 3 who are neutral and NONE which are Right. You're telling me that's even??

AmazingIdea wrote:

Compound that with an audience akin to Oprah's that would applaud him if he did anything short of take a sh#t on the stage.

I would applaud if he took a sh#t on stage! That would be comedic genius!

I don't think anyone is arguing that Maher is neutral. Someone just claimed that his arguments make rational sense. I don't watch his show, or O'Reilly's show much, but my opinion is they both make sensible arguments quite frequently. Biased as hell? Sure. But you can be completely biased and still make a reasoned argument for your side.

The truly hardcore left and right are probably equally annoying because they both are willing to step outside of reasoned discussion for their causes. You'll see this a lot when they interview the hardcore left and right. They'll say stuff that just doesn't make any sense. How do you have a discussion with someone like that? You can't. And like I said earlier, the louder they are, the more annoying they are.

jsquire wrote:

Someone who has long-term vision. No environment, no capitalism, and most importantly no you.

Which side of the spectrum are you on? Whatever it is, it just just got more annoying.

The far left is the most annoying thing i have ever seen. The far right doesn't try to make the far left look bad. Only the far left attacks the other side.

The far Right doesn't try anmd make the far Left look bad? That's the constant obsession of Coulter, Hannity, and every single one of O'Reilly's "Talking Points" memos....and you can throw in clowns like Mike Savage, Mike Gallagher, Mark Levin, and Michelle Malkin. Please.

It has always been essentially for the Right to scapegoat someone, to create some artificial bugaboo in this country for others to fear and hate. But the fact is that the "far Left" is of almost no consequence whatsoever in this country. It's the Right that's running things... disastrously.

Florida? wrote:

The extreme left is laughable, but they are not going to hurt anyone. While the extreme right starts crusades. So yeah, I'll say that I'm more annoyed with the right and their general policies.

I agree with this. Particularly in this country, our far left isn't particularly militant. Seem to me more a group of idealistic tree-huggers. Not all that scary. But the "Jesus is with us. You are either with us or against us" crowd scares the crap out of me.

I would also argue that the far right neocons actually tend not to be very right at all when it comes to business or economic issues.

I actually think the "complacent middle" defines most of what is wrong with America. It is here that we see the slacker-suburbanite-consumerist-lemming in all his pathetic glory at the bbq grill not wanting to piss anyone off either way because he is too scared to stand for anything.

By contrast, the extremes are dynamic and their opposition to one another makes life interesting. It's a yin/yang thing: the tension of the extremes can produce a true equillibrium much more effectively than simply falling back on moderate slackerhood by default.

Sometimes America needs right and left wing prophets to cry out like a voice in the wilderness to shock us out of our medicated,pre-fab, comatose daze.

Das Green wrote:

The left is harmless. The left is full of shit, full of Texan homos, and Oregon treehugbers, but nobody dies. The right is harmful. Lots of Americans died for no reason because of the Bush neo-cons.

Ever heard of communism?

Amazingidea is winning the debate in this message board. I like his view on things and having facts to back them up.

AmazingIdea wrote:

Again, please site a SPECIFIC example - this is the typical response I hear, 'OReilly ALWAYS does this and'. Please give some examples of how his FACTS are 1-sided, I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily, but you're not stating anything concrete.

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"If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush Administration again, all right?" -on finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Bill O'Reilly, March 18, 2003

Yeah, as he invents ridiculous reasons to rail against the "far Left" every night of the week, I've been wondering what happened to O'Reilly's repeated assurances that if no WMDs were found, the Bush administration would have to answer to him. The Faux Tough Guy seems to have let that one slip.

Middle of the Road wrote:

I would have to say the hardcore left is more annoying for this reason- the hardcore right is less educated. They may not believe in evolution, but chances are they can't even spell it... so what can you expect? However, the hardcore left consists mostly of pretty well educated people that are completely batshit insane.

What are your thoughts on the topic, Letsrun moderates?

What are their PR's?

I find the condescending nature of the far left to be the most annoying characteristic of either side. Hardcore leftists seem convinced that their opinions are the result of logic and reason and anyone who disagrees with them simply don't have the intellectual capacity to grasp the truth.

I suspect the answer to this question may be who you deal with more often. I don't have very many run-ins with people who could be characterized as "far right," but have had many annoying dealings with extreme leftists.

Wow - we had a quote from '04...now '03 - nice work. Do I hear '02, anyone, anyone, can I get a quote from MORE THAN 4yrs ago. So the OReilly haters comb through hours and hours of talk per day, 100's of hours /month and the best they have is a quote from '03 and with that, something that OReilly himself has admitted he was wrong about?

Come on, you need to do better than that. I sh#t my pants when I was 2yrs old, but I'm hoping if I'm in an argument now, that isn't relevant & let me go on record as stating that I do think sh#tting myself was in fact the wrong thing to do :)

The pt of the matter is I am not always in aggreement w/ OReilly, but I often don't have the specifics to say why I don't agree and as this seems to illustrate, neither do you. I do watch his show sometimes thinking he is full of sh#t, but it's a feeling, not objective or factual - just a hunch I have. OReilly typically backs up what he has to say w/ FACTS - agree or disagree...his opponents simply say things like he ALWAYS does this yet if he does things so friggin often, give me an example of something from this month, not 4yrs ago?!?

Camoo writes: 'Yeah, as he invents ridiculous reasons to rail against the "far Left" every night of the week,'

Again, please site an example of these 'ridiculous reason' as there must be a HUGE pool if he does this EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK? and for God's sakes, please pull something within at least the last month or so.