Alan Abrahamson writes column RIPPING Shelby H and all the journalists who have defended her & asks her to come clean

Whats so strange about it. Its nationalism and very typical. Kenian is positiv=obvious doper 100% for americans. American positiv= wrongly convicted. Saudi kills innocent civilians= terrorist. American kills innocent civilians=military hero

A few years ago there was a GoFundMe scam where people collected hundreds of thousands of dollars because an alleged homeless man gave his last $20 to get a lady who had run out of gas home. They went to jail for fraud.

If Shelby goes through with her GoFundMe defense fund, and she is knowingly guilty of doping (which she is), how is that any different?

This was not an article. This was a blog post by a teenager. I haven't believed Houlihan's defense for a second, but Abrahamson is really unprofessional. Makes letsrun look like journalists.

It's an opinion piece with hyperbole.

From a journalistic perspective, I was surprised he didn't use multiple exclamation marks - the original emoji and cop-out for not using creative language to explain perspective and or emotion.

Speaking of explaining, if you have to explain your funny line, you aren't that funny.

For example, "Do you also believe pigs can fly? (‘Pigs’ used advisedly here.) Do you think Abraham Lincoln is a vampire slayer? Are you super-confident you can beat up a grizzly bear?"

But he does make it clear that the odds that she consumed nandrolone from the burrito in an entertaining way, so for those who are not entertained by a 44-page legal document, can blast through the hysterics of opinion here and get it. So his article carries good weight from that perspective. Like me, he needs an editor (no one should edit their own work).

And for the record, my opinion is not necessarily illustrated here.

This is the article LR should’ve written. Not some garbage about a twoggke blog which contained a bunch of false information.

I have low expectations for a site that thought it was ok for Richardson to complete while high at trials though.

If this is the opinion that idiot has, it actually makes me more likely to believe Shelby. He is another one of those trash fire people who are entertaining solely because of how bad their opinions are, just like Jonathan Marcus

I had this question from the beginning and I have it now. Why, oh WHY were so many in the running media quick to believe a story that is so dang improbable?

It's truly hard to understand--and every doper claims their own innocence. If there was any real concrete reason to think Shelby was innocent, then I'd get it but there truly is none.

Shelby has had a career that does raise some questions. A pro runner since 2015, all of a sudden in 2018 she was unbeatable. In 2019 she ran USA XC, won and then turned right around to compete at USA indoor and won the 2 mile and was second in the mile. She set an American record of 14:34 in 2018 in the 5K. In 2019 she set another massive PB and an American record in the 1500 in 3:54.99. Then in 2020 she PB's AGAIN running 14:23 breaking her own AR. No ceiling to be found, and from 2015-2017 she did well but was mostly mid pack.

If this were a different runner--if this had been Rachel Schneider or Cory McGee or even Emma Coburn (who has only shaved a half second off of her PR since 2016). If this had been members of the BTC like Marielle Hall or even Emily Sisson, I would have been shocked. But I'd be lying if I hadn't questioned Shelby before...

BTC Babes had a rougher 2021 as a whole, aside from Courtney. Karissa is no where near her 2020 form. She was a non-factor at the Olympics after running a spectacular 5K last year. Elise. is running well and coming up strong, but idk, I expected a bit more from her... Colleen, formerly BTC is MIA. Something changed in 2021. Something just did.

Nandrolone CAN be orally injected and there are legitimate reasons why a distance runner might take it. The biggest bonus to it is recovery from injuries. Shelby has not seemed to suffer from any serious injuries in years.

If you think she's innocent, the best bet would be that she took a supplement that contained nandrolone unknowingly.

I know we think dopers are boogeymen. Sociopaths like Lance Armstrong and A-rod, or fuzzy foreign figures like Jemima Sumgong or any nameless faceless Russian. But they aren't like that. Tyler Hamilton, a really good soft-spoken dude---is a doper.

Agent Cobie Smuldoers wrote:

Would there be any situation where the US Government gets involved , where Shelby could go to jail like Marion Jones.

They should subpoena everyone on BTC .

Wouldn't a better way be to change the rules regarding doping positives? If an athlete tests positive and this is proven (as has been done in this case) then the athlete is banned but also the entire athlete's training group automatically serve the same ban AND the coach of the group is automatically banned for TEN years. The managers of the athletes who tested positive should also be automatically fined ten million dollars and be banned for FIVE years.

These rules would basically clear up doping very quickly.

I doubt anyone really believed the story. Distance running is an extremely dirty sport on the pro level and clean athletes cannot compete. And certain athletes are doping and rubbing everyone else's noses in it. Once that context is established it is easy enough to see the problem not as the cheating (which is not viewed as cheating at all but just leveling the playing field), but in the enforcement which is viewed as arbitrary, selective and corrupt. If you do not see anything morally wrong in doping given the need to just be competitive in a dirty sport, than it is very easy to root for your favorites not to get caught and take their side if they do. In cycling everyone knew their favorites were cheating, but so was everyone else, and if your favorite got caught it just meant another cheater won in their place.

Most dopers are probably nice people as it goes. But they are ambitious and they want to win. Or at least they want a livelihood.

Agent Cobie Smuldoers wrote:

Would there be any situation where the US Government gets involved , where Shelby could go to jail like Marion Jones.

They should subpoena everyone on BTC .

Marion Jones went to prison for lying to federal investigators under oath. As far as we know, Shelby wasn’t interviewed by federal investigators and as such has not lied. It’s not even close to the same thing. Apples to oranges comparison.

Rojo is not consistent in his answers. The stupid shoe comment really cuts at your credibility. Rojo's shoe comment was meant to trigger us. Stay on one side of the fence and act like an adult.

As to the other BTC member testing positive, I believe that rumor. By the way where has Karissa veen since the Olympics?

100% all of this

Brojo's and Gault still operate under the false premise that Jerry and BTC are the good guys.

Here is a quote from Runnersworld:

Dr. Philip Skiba is a director of sports medicine for Advocate Medical Group in Chicago and was a consultant on Nike’s original Breaking2 project in 2017. He read today’s report and said in a phone call with Runner’s World, “There’s an extraordinarily small chance, basically zero, that this a false positive.”

sayyestonepotism wrote:

Whats so strange about it. Its nationalism and very typical. Kenian is positiv=obvious doper 100% for americans. American positiv= wrongly convicted.

+1

That shows quite clearly if you read comments from other countries on this case.

AA nailed it… who cares where KS is; maybe in therapy for her crooked spine.

Yet at same time , you use LRC as a link to your copy and paste web site . This from a journalistic perspective .

She owes the running community an apology

But 4 years? That’s a bit much.

Is she supposed to become a trail runner or triathlete?

Does anyone on this thread actually know anything about Nandrolone?