I love Noah Droddy’s Training. Just hard work, no designer workouts

Nuh uh, that’s what makes him both hip and blue collar

Common Sense FTW wrote:

Designer workouts? Sounds like some made up Boomer strawman out of fear that their time has passed.

You do realize you just set up a strawman while also laughably implying that you can somehow read the minds of people of a certain age.

Obligatory "Nenow" mention.

Sarah Williamson wrote:

http://www.logarun.com/calendars/Noah/2020/11

Simple, hard, effective. None of this fancy, designer BS that we see so much these days.

Fartleks by feel, repeats and tempos at pace, long runs, mileage.

I agree. Too much time spent looking for the "Secret Formula" and not enough time spent on running.

Running is not complicated.

"Go Run One"

Aouita 84 wrote:

Sarah Williamson wrote:

http://www.logarun.com/calendars/Noah/2020/11

Simple, hard, effective. None of this fancy, designer BS that we see so much these days.

Fartleks by feel, repeats and tempos at pace, long runs, mileage.

I agree. Too much time spent looking for the "Secret Formula" and not enough time spent on running.

Running is not complicated.

"Go Run One"

I do think training can all feel a little overwhelming for a runner, so having a coach can help with that and it’s up to a coach to be smart and effective.

There are coaches who mistake “keep it simple” with bad training. How many college athletes are burned out by the time April comes around bc their coach has been hammering them with balls to the wall Track workouts all winter?

Sarah Williamson wrote:

http://www.logarun.com/calendars/Noah/2020/11

Simple, hard, effective. None of this fancy, designer BS that we see so much these days.

Fartleks by feel, repeats and tempos at pace, long runs, mileage.

It works fine for him, bravo! It doesn't mean it works for everyone out there. You do know that athletes are different and adapt to certain training methods different than others? You do know that....right?

What is a 'designer workout'?

Sarah Williamson wrote:

Regular&Standard wrote:

What are "designer" workouts?

Already explained

You seem like a b1tch, not at all cool like Des Linden ...

wawaweewa wrote:

What is a 'designer workout'?

I'm guessing that means someone who looks at the course, the runner and the phase of training than pull from their knowledge on training to create a workout instead of just giving out "blanket statement" type of workouts. But that's just my guess. If you just want to keep doing the same thing OP without giving any consideration on any factors, keep doing you.

wawaweewa wrote:

What is a 'designer workout'?

Already explained, hun

Tinman training would ruin Noah Droddy's career.

Tinman is just the worst. Anyone else agree?

Sarah Williamson wrote:

wawaweewa wrote:

What is a 'designer workout'?

Already explained, hun

OP from looking through all of this I think you just don't like Tinman and Zap fitness (Not a new thing to these boards).

Again you are putting the training and the group as the same thing (I don't like the group so I don't like their training).

But under your definition of "designer workouts" why you aren't mad at BTC? Or Zoombie NOP?, Heck idk if you've every looked at NAZ elites training but they do a ton of these "designer workouts".

So again I really don't know what point you are trying to make.........

I guess maybe congrats to Noah Droddy? and that you don't really understand how training works?

Noah keeps it simple. My read is that Scott Droddy (née Fauble) a big designer workout guy.

Speaking of whom, it is heartbreaking what happened this weekend. A father lost a son. Keep Mr. and Mrs. Fauble in your thoughts as they recover from the realization that Noah Droddy is now Scott's father. It is hard enough finding out that your son has a new father, let alone the week before Christmas. My understanding is that Noah will be receiving all Christmas gifts purchased for Scott's former father, Mr. Fauble.

I guess that after messing about with running for 25 years or more I've come to the view that that, provided your training programme is vaguely sensible, the most important thing is being comfortable and confident with what you're doing.

Everyone probably needs to do a reasonable amount of mileage, probably run hard every few days and probably do a long run but beyond that there's plenty of ways to skin a cat.

Some people love the confidence that packing in the miles gives them, some people love to feel like they're running fast on the track, some people just like to do a long run in the countryside, some people like to feel quite fresh most of the time.

Yeah, maybe super controlled and planned intervals taking account of all the science and research etc. is technically the best way and a lot of people buzz off that but other people prefer to just get up and see how they feel that day. You'll probably get better long term results if you go with the approach that you're happiest with.

I generally take the view that the body knows best and move things about day to day whilst trying to keep within a broad framework based on how things feel. That means responding to fatigue, injury and also taking advantage of the good days when they happen! Thats what good coaching is in my view - anyone can prescribe a programme from a book and hold a stopwatch.

you guys are reading a basic summary of his runs and think there is no logical approach to it?

You think there is not a meticulous examination of all sorts of factors that lead to it?

You think that this simple summary is all there is?

You do known that nutrition and recovery are as important and yet they arent listed? Perhaps he doesnt eat or sleep?

what a stupid thread.

I think this is mostly right. The secret to training is finding the right workload, not in the precise details of any particular workout. That's why some coaches are fantastic even though they don't have a ton of education. They have the experience and intuition to find that balance.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's just about running the way you feel. I've coached a lot of runners who only want to do one thing, and pushing them to do the thing they didn't like often helps a great deal. But I do think that you could sum it up in pretty simple terms: You need (1) race-pace training, (2) somewhat faster than race-pace training, (3) somewhat slower than race-pace training, (4) pure sprint, and (5) pure endurance. The guidance doesn't have to be more detailed than that.

What I think a lot of people miss when talking about science-based training is that none of this stuff is dictated by science. There are no studies saying that these "designer" workouts are the way to go. It's still 95% "art of coaching," with maybe a little science in the background.

Most complicated, multi-pace workouts that I've seen fall into just a couple of buckets:

(1) Fast finish. The idea of ripping 300s after you did 1ks is not remotely new. Old school coaches would call it learning to sprint on tired legs. If you want a more scientific explanation, it's easier to recruit fast-twitch fibers after you've exhausted slow-twitch fibers, so this is an effective way of training these neural pathways for muscle recruitment. This is probably the most common kind of mixed workout.

(2) Lactate tolerance/clearing. This is where you put yourself in a hole and recover while still running really fast. Lots of high school XC coaches do this kind of training. The theory (learn to clear lactate as effectively as possible) seems sound, based on our general theories of adaptation, but there isn't exactly a lot of science to say it works.

One thing that's clear is that both of these types of workouts have a huge psychological component. You're training yourself to experience something that you will experience in races, but which you might not really experience just doing conventional workouts. I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that the difference between "reasonably fit" and "PR shape" is largely a matter of getting your brain comfortable with pain. Your "key physiological metrics" (VO2, LT, RE) are almost never going to change during your last few macrocycles of training. (The exception being that RELATIVE VO2 will change if you lean out a bit, as is pretty common during that phase.)

Of course, there's another psychological benefit as well: These workouts can be fun! And athletes who are having fun tend to run better.

Sarah Williamson wrote:

Aouita 84 wrote:

I agree. Too much time spent looking for the "Secret Formula" and not enough time spent on running.

Running is not complicated.

"Go Run One"

I do think training can all feel a little overwhelming for a runner, so having a coach can help with that and it’s up to a coach to be smart and effective.

There are coaches who mistake “keep it simple” with bad training. How many college athletes are burned out by the time April comes around bc their coach has been hammering them with balls to the wall Track workouts all winter?

Assuming that the coach isn't an idiot. By executing a "simple plan" that incorporates the key components of distance training (long runs, recovery, strength endurance workouts, speed endurance workouts, etc.....) there is no reason any athlete should not succeed, with the xception of bad luck (injuries).

Remember, coaches coach, and runners run. Unless you have a Sh^tload of experience, don't try both.

"Go Run One"

In his build up, he was only doing a continuous long run every other week. Anyone else do this?

What's a designer workout?