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Trains with Tyler McCandless under Steve Jones in Boulder Harriers
Trained under Hudson previously. Has performed very well at altitude but not as well at sea level. Great breakthrough!
He ran 2:16/17 at CIM a few years back. Typically goes out hard and fades badly
sitNkik wrote:
He ran 2:16/17 at CIM a few years back. Typically goes out hard and fades badly
Yes, you're right, that's where he qualified for the OT. Still a big jump from that!
he also went out in 65:41 in Atlanta. Finished in 2:16:26
Sportspeople are not "Heroes"
Even those, like Ian, who have overcome adversity.
A lot of great performances, especially Ian's. And even taking into account the shoes and superfast conditions, the marathon raises questions about marathon development in the US. Whenever a solid US distance running prospect moves up to the marathon, they head right out to a big US race like Chicago, NY, Boston, etc. At that race, they either just time trial to try to hit the US trials standard or go out with the international runners and hold on for dear life the last 6 mi. With the exception of the US marathon championships and an odd US prize money only race here and there, developing US marathoners rarely race marathons where they have a shot at winning. You then have guys who are solidly 2:15 runners going after 2:10 instead of being in a race where they can compete to win with a 2:15. Then, they can improve their fitness and find a race where 2:12 can get a win and so on. So, instead of having marathoners who learn how to compete and win, we have marathoners who run for time and survival.
Absolutely right. In an ideal world. the USATF marathon championship would be an annual, stand-alone event that could include elements that help develop better competitors.
Dude, Ian, nice work!
Blue Collar Running wrote:
Absolutely right. In an ideal world. the USATF marathon championship would be an annual, stand-alone event that could include elements that help develop better competitors.
There is one. The top guys chose the appearance fee and slim chance of placing at a major instead.
sitNkik wrote:
Blue Collar Running wrote:
Absolutely right. In an ideal world. the USATF marathon championship would be an annual, stand-alone event that could include elements that help develop better competitors.
There is one. The top guys chose the appearance fee and slim chance of placing at a major instead.
B level and C level guys flock to Chicago every year, too, to time trial well in the wake of the podium battle. I guess my idea needs some better incentives. Also, there was no US marathon champs in 2019.
Very suspicious sudden progress.
Lol what do you think about Hofbauer then?
Less sudden progress. But fair.
Precious Roy wrote:
A lot of great performances, especially Ian's. And even taking into account the shoes and superfast conditions, the marathon raises questions about marathon development in the US. Whenever a solid US distance running prospect moves up to the marathon, they head right out to a big US race like Chicago, NY, Boston, etc. At that race, they either just time trial to try to hit the US trials standard or go out with the international runners and hold on for dear life the last 6 mi. With the exception of the US marathon championships and an odd US prize money only race here and there, developing US marathoners rarely race marathons where they have a shot at winning. You then have guys who are solidly 2:15 runners going after 2:10 instead of being in a race where they can compete to win with a 2:15. Then, they can improve their fitness and find a race where 2:12 can get a win and so on. So, instead of having marathoners who learn how to compete and win, we have marathoners who run for time and survival.
Found this while researching the guy who ran backwards today. Very good, salient points!
Blue Collar Running wrote:
sitNkik wrote:
There is one. The top guys chose the appearance fee and slim chance of placing at a major instead.
B level and C level guys flock to Chicago every year, too, to time trial well in the wake of the podium battle. I guess my idea needs some better incentives. Also, there was no US marathon champs in 2019.
Why was it cancelled? That was before Covid. Wiki confirms none in 2019 as well.
Great achievement! 1v1 lol unblocked