KATELYN TUOHY 8:35.20 NCAA RECORD

oh I agree, but at ACC if they put Tuohy in, and substitute for Chapman (as you point out) they might run fast enough to qualify - but it probably depends what they see from Bush, Shaw, Hartman today. Again if they could come up with a 3:22/0:55/2:06/4:28 that is 10:51. And if Tuohy ran perfect 10:47. The question is do they have a 3:22 and 2:06

My guess is Tuohy will only run the 5000m at ACC.

for time? Unless they want to do that - and set record largely on her own I would think she might run something shorter. Give Chmiel a shot at being ACC 5000 champ?

I threw that same 57 out there in another thread. Chapman's pr is 56.2 and I've learned over the years to assume the worst on 400 and 800 legs for state.

Now the jdl fun starts. VA, v tech and K all running their stars. I assume state goes Hartman, Chapman, Bush, Shaw, but there could be a different variant to get Bush on anchor.

The front 3 teams could go 10:54, 10:56, 10:58 w/pack at 11:01.

Now pretty clear that Touhy/Chmiel will go 5k/3k at nat's for 'individual goals'.

There of course is still acc for a fast NC St dmr, but it seems Henes is challenging this b team to step up and earn it themself.

Another point of interest.

At usatf national in NM this weekend, Touhy would be seeded:

mile #2 behind Hiltz

3000 #2 behind Orton Morgan.

I realize not all the stars are there, but it's clear that the current 4:24/8:35 Touhy is now in top 25% of USA pros.

Also interesting that Addy Wiley is running usatf entered in both 800 and mile. If she does both, it's probably a dnq 800 on Fri and mile sat. The field sets up nicely for her to PR, even contend. Altitude is of course a factor.

So, Hiltz ran a 4:32 mile at NAU opener. Anyone know the altitude conversion for that? Henes ran 4:39

Gibson of WA got 6 seconds from the time she ran at NM Jan 27 - 4:37 ==> 4:31

I'm getting 4:32 in Flagstaff is 4:22 at sea level. But I don't see any results for Hiltz at the NAU meet.

10 seconds is what Reiss got at Roy Mann Classic at NAU

Here you go

I got curious what happened in 2014 when Albequerqued hosted. vs qualifying times after any compensations, the W 5000 results were about 40 s slower, the 3000 about 13 s slower, and the mile about 4 s slower (with of course some variation)

That's huge. Are any of the teams going to head up early before championships?

It looks like the races all came down to kicking so even tho Abbey D had faster 5000 time by 14 seconds she did not seem to push it (and she then won a slow 3000)

I was not facetious when I said they needed to stay with Elly at Flagstaff for a couple of weeks.

This begs the question how altitude runners like Venters, Mazza-Downie and Stearns will do v sea level runners like Chmiel, Tuohy and Valby. Would altitude be a reason to do the mile?

well this is why I said this was going to be tricky for Valby - she needs it fast due to lack of kick - but how fast is fast?

Frankly they should not have an NCAA championship at altitude. It creates an unreasonable advantage for the altitude trained athletes.

Altitude runners will have an advantage no question. NAU is actually coming down in altitude.

Just heading up to altitude the week of, they are at a disadvantage because it takes atleast a few days to acclimate to lower oxygen levels.

how are they sure what pace to target in that case ... I guess the coaches probably have this figured out from years of experience but still

ACC Schedule:

Day 1 6:00 W 5000

Day 1 7:00 W DMR

Day 2 3:15 W Mile prelim

Day 3 12:00 W Mile final

Day 3 2:20 W 3000

So the possible distance doubles are 5000/mile, 5000/3000, DMR/mile, DMR/3000.