^This. Parker Valby and the Ethiopians long-strike simply because they can as a result of trained fitness. The Ethiopians do proper running drills in their warmups everyday, and it is not unusual for them to go up to 10000ft to train.
20minutes of this, at 10000ft is a workout in itself, but this is just the warmup before they run:
Anyway yesterday changed my opinion. I initially thought something was off and noticed the odd lack of fatigue and the radical physical transformation. Her odd ability to keep coming back stronger from injury when every other college athlete struggles. The tireless way she raced where every other college athlete paid for big efforts. But the times were not really there and she lost repeatedly, even decisively.
Then she came back this year markedly better. And yesterday she did something that makes zero sense for any clean athlete. And her personality and answers are just not credible.
Now maybe she comes back dead legged today like a natural athlete. But I doubt it. When have we seen it her entire college career? When anabolics first hit public consciousness in the early 70s, they were reported as a mystery drug that eliminated natural fatigue. Seems like a far more likely explanation than "crosstraining". Her times are now clearly in the suspect zone. People can cite Zola Budd, who ran in the legal blood doping era, or others. But the fact remains.
So what are your thoughts on Nico Young winning a back-to-back 5k and 3k double? Is he ‘suspect’ too? He looked pretty fresh today, finishing the last mile faster than the actual Mile championship did less than an hour before. Maybe they’re both just better than everyone else right now in their respective male and female divisions.
Anyway yesterday changed my opinion. I initially thought something was off and noticed the odd lack of fatigue and the radical physical transformation. Her odd ability to keep coming back stronger from injury when every other college athlete struggles. The tireless way she raced where every other college athlete paid for big efforts. But the times were not really there and she lost repeatedly, even decisively.
Then she came back this year markedly better. And yesterday she did something that makes zero sense for any clean athlete. And her personality and answers are just not credible.
Now maybe she comes back dead legged today like a natural athlete. But I doubt it. When have we seen it her entire college career? When anabolics first hit public consciousness in the early 70s, they were reported as a mystery drug that eliminated natural fatigue. Seems like a far more likely explanation than "crosstraining". Her times are now clearly in the suspect zone. People can cite Zola Budd, who ran in the legal blood doping era, or others. But the fact remains.
So what are your thoughts on Nico Young winning a back-to-back 5k and 3k double? Is he ‘suspect’ too? He looked pretty fresh today, finishing the last mile faster than the actual Mile championship did less than an hour before. Maybe they’re both just better than everyone else right now in their respective male and female divisions.
My 2 cents is he was nowhere close to ncaa record yesterday nor today.
So what are your thoughts on Nico Young winning a back-to-back 5k and 3k double? Is he ‘suspect’ too? He looked pretty fresh today, finishing the last mile faster than the actual Mile championship did less than an hour before. Maybe they’re both just better than everyone else right now in their respective male and female divisions.
My 2 cents is he was nowhere close to ncaa record yesterday nor today.
Within approximately 5 secs today of the 3k record finishing strong and fresh as a daisy (and the 5k in his legs from last night). 5k - I’ll give you that. His own 4k record is far more competitive on the world standard than the women’s is. Valby’s 5k from last night is still nearly a minute off the world record. 14.52 won’t get you anywhere in an elite women’s 5k - she’d be at the 200m mark, whilst the elites were finishing. Young’s sub 13 5k record (12.57ish) is competitive at practically any world level championship or race.
Apparently she has rare talent and a training method that is optimal for her with the help of her coach. Why do people always come up with suspicions? Unfortunately this is increasing at LRC. I thought she looked very strained after the 3000. Incidentally, it is not unusual to run a strong race on the following day. In my club our local hero with a PB of 31 mins (10k) sometimes competes twice a weekend. He does this for three reasons. He wants to take part in the local competitions out of pure enthusiasm for running, he uses this double burden as specific training, he wants to defend last year's victory in a local 10k. Most of the time the results of the double starts are really good, and if not, he doesn't care.
Florida's Parker Valby won the 2024 NCAA indoor 3000m final, winning her second title of the tournament and her 4th within the calendar year. Watch the full ...
Oh, so it's training in a "stuffy gym" that causes her to sweat, not racing at her full capacity on a track in the summertime or cross-country? What kind of second rate gym facility that has no air-conditioning is that?
If training on an elliptical is so hard I wonder why it isn't the norm for top athletes. (I guess it would be hard if you can only run outdoors two days a week). Do Ingebrigtsen, Kerr and Kipyegon (and every second Kenyan distance runner) train that way? They must be taking it easy compared to Valby. But, strangely enough, they are able to put the miles in she can't, because she apparently gets injured if she does. Amazing how she succeeds on a formula that isn't employed or advocated for the best athletes but only the injury-prone.
^ More blathering from a pro-homicidal misanthrope.
Yeah, what are we even debating here? Cross training on the arc or elliptical makes you sweat a ton and gets the HR up because of the lack of air resistance. Even when I blast a fan my HR is higher than an equivalent effort run.
So what? Nobody in their right mind would say a typical cross training session is physically harder than racing a 5000.
I don’t think you get it. She told everybody how she trains on it back in the fall after Natty’s. She said a corollary was like sprinters training with a weighted vest. It’s not super difficult, if one wishes to crank the incline and resistance up, to make it harder than natural running.
We aren't talking about "natural running" but racing at one's limit. Of course she doesn't race at her limit - she runs at level 6 effort while destroying collegiate records.
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I don’t think you get it. She told everybody how she trains on it back in the fall after Natty’s. She said a corollary was like sprinters training with a weighted vest. It’s not super difficult, if one wishes to crank the incline and resistance up, to make it harder than natural running.
I do understand all that and she's right. I have no idea what that has to do with her lack of sweat from racing a 5k.
Because it is claimed training on an elliptical is much harder for her ("pools of sweat", it is claimed) than racing at a far faster pace - when she never sweats like that. I wonder why she would risk training like that if her problem is being injury-prone, which is why she avoids the roads and the track?
In other sports it's extremely well known that if you dedicate as a frontrunner you continue to separate from the field and from normalcy.
Parker Valby runs like a foreigner. Now imagine Ethiopia, where Parker Valby is just one of many. They have a half dozen or more devoted frontrunning prodigies at all times. Some won't pan out. Some will get injured. But if you keep the assembly line rolling the math is destined to work in your favor, along with the advantageous forward placed style.
Here is the world list of U18 women at 3000 last year. The top 4 are Ethiopian. The fastest one Alemeshete has already finished 6th in two Diamond League races not far beyond her 17th birthday, one at 3000 and another at 5000. The 16 year old Nbret ran 8:44 to finish 10th in the Diamond League Xiamen last year:
^This. Parker Valby and the Ethiopians long-strike simply because they can as a result of trained fitness. The Ethiopians do proper running drills in their warmups everyday, and it is not unusual for them to go up to 10000ft to train.
Valby doesn't train like the Ethiopians. They get out and run - considerable distances.
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"I actually think she is beating her competition as much on mental fitness as physical, which is saying something."(quote)
So despite there being a whole thread observing that Valby did not know how to run the tangents the mods have decreed any reference to this apparent deficiency must be deleted when it's a response to a claim she is mentally far superior to her competition. Color me surprised.
I do understand all that and she's right. I have no idea what that has to do with her lack of sweat from racing a 5k.
Because it is claimed training on an elliptical is much harder for her ("pools of sweat", it is claimed) than racing at a far faster pace - when she never sweats like that. I wonder why she would risk training like that if her problem is being injury-prone, which is why she avoids the roads and the track?
No offense but you are really embarrassing yourself here. I am not sure it is really worth it to try to persuade a recalcitrant person who would rather insult others than learn. If you want to say she is doping, I take no position on that subject. But you really reveal a staggering ignorance here.
I do understand all that and she's right. I have no idea what that has to do with her lack of sweat from racing a 5k.
Because it is claimed training on an elliptical is much harder for her ("pools of sweat", it is claimed) than racing at a far faster pace - when she never sweats like that. I wonder why she would risk training like that if her problem is being injury-prone, which is why she avoids the roads and the track?
You may have several good arguments, but the argument about sweat is not so good. Don't stress fractures come from pounding from impact coupled with low bone density? And sweat depends on local atmospheric conditions (breeze, humidity, temperature) as much as effort. Sweat can also vary individually. Personally I can drip puddles when on an elliptical going at any effort. Mostly due to the still air.
I agree with you that she did not exert much effort in her races. When she goes all out she will sweat and she will run 14:30. Everyone agrees with you.
I don't think sweat has much to do with it. The conditions aren't comparable.
For example, I used to use an exercise bike in a small room. I would sweat horrendously.
I also used to run outside on a track. There was barely any visible sweating, as it would evaporate off due to being outside/movement/wind/lots of other differences.
The difference was massive. A lot of other people are similar. So I really don't think that too much can be drawn from that!
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