THE CRAZIEST THING ABOUT ELIUD KIPCHOGE'S WORLD RECORD.

If he had been on the track he could have spotted theee laps and still won; to Wilson Kipsang!

Chris0213 wrote:

The greatest thing about Eliud Kipchoge's World Record today is that his 2:01:39 marathon translates to a 12:41 5000M performance.

I'm not trying to take anything away from KIpchoge's performance, but people need to quit with the stipulations about what a performance at distance X is worth compared to one at distance Y.

There is no universal standard, and even if every race were held in identical climate and course conditions, there still wouldn't be.

We know that Avagadro's number of atom is 6.02 x 10^23 or whatever and that this is the number of particles in exactly 12 g of carbon, and that it therefore makes a useful and true standard.

The problem with posts like yours is that you could find a different converter that claims 2:01:39 is worth 12:49 or something, and see Kipchoge's run in a completely different light.'

Stop with the false (or unproven) premises.

Kipchoge's world record may be the strongest of all, but in a sense there will always be a drop-off in distance races when you don't have pacers for more and more of the race, as here. Brussels 5000m was so fast this year largely because Kejelcha was able to function as an ideal pacesetter all the way to 200m to go for Barega. Here, Kipchoge only had two pacers stick with him to 15k, and then only one pacer after about 45:40, and that guy (Boit?) lasted only to about 25k, 1:12. So, 17k solo, and he was not getting much if any drafting virtually the whole way, orchestrating what little he got. This was what I thought he could do after Monza. I thought that race equated to something close to this and that it would give him the feel and confidence to go sub 2:02. It took a bit longer to happen just because conditions were sub par in Berlin last year and especially in London this year. Just an incredible performance. He looked like a metronome, yet he sped up after his pacers dropped and his splits were something like 1:01:06/1:00:33. Unbelievable.

yes, that was a 200x with perfect pacing conditions....

yesstiles wrote:

No, the craziest thing is that he ran 105 x 400m in 69 seconds each..........with no rest!

Now that IS bananas.

Doubtful.

To all “white” guys.............why bother?

I was going to say he worn arm warmers. I thought arm warmer=hobby jogger !!!!!!!!!!!

It is a useful exercise, to chart how a 5000 time translates to a marathon. performance.

However, in my bones, I know that today's marathon world record simply blows away a 12:41 5000 meter on the track.

yesstiles wrote:

No, the craziest thing is that he ran 105 x 400m in 69 seconds each..........with no rest!

Yes, this is what you tell folks at the office. Many people have done a timed lap at some point.

Cotton Mather wrote:

Chris0213 wrote:

The greatest thing about Eliud Kipchoge's World Record today is that his 2:01:39 marathon translates to a 12:41 5000M performance.

I'm not trying to take anything away from KIpchoge's performance, but people need to quit with the stipulations about what a performance at distance X is worth compared to one at distance Y.

There is no universal standard, and even if every race were held in identical climate and course conditions, there still wouldn't be.

We know that Avagadro's number of atom is 6.02 x 10^23 or whatever and that this is the number of particles in exactly 12 g of carbon, and that it therefore makes a useful and true standard.

The problem with posts like yours is that you could find a different converter that claims 2:01:39 is worth 12:49 or something, and see Kipchoge's run in a completely different light.'

Stop with the false (or unproven) premises.

no worries, the tables aren't the be all and end all. they are pretty good. but they fail at the novel end.

the tables will be adjusted.

back in the day, there was no quality in the marathon.

jesse owens on a good track of today was 20 flat.

meanwhile the marathon was 230,

today, you got a population of africans, of perhaps 100,000 weeded out to give it a go.

the records for 100 can be 9.4x 18.7 42.5 138 323 1225 2540 within current capability.

and the marathon at 158.

you're only talking about existing guys maxing out completely.

no longer science fiction.

5555

speaking of the marathon.

if a runner extends the back leg and has strength, the pace is 430 per mile or so, which is proper natural running.

the question is gas, for 2 hours.

now they got the gas.

now the record is where it should be.

jesse owens on a good track was good for 20 flat 200m that is.

????????? wrote:

I was going to say he worn arm warmers. I thought arm warmer=hobby jogger !!!!!!!!!!!

If that was ever a valid position to take, the existence of Ryan Hall would have killed its credibility years ago.

He was less than 600m away from going under 2:00

better luck next time eh?

What's crazy too is that two of his pacers dropped like flies at 15k ! What gives ?! Food poisoning ? How could Kitwara, a 204 guy let him down like this ? Has there been an explanation somewhere ?

I'm not comfortable with converting a 2:01:39 to the time given by the OP. I'm more comfortable age grading it to be equal to a 12:37 5k. They are both the current world records in their respective events.

I do fully agree with the OP, though, that spanning a career over 14 years that includes translating your otherworldly 5k time to an otherworldly marathon time is incredible. Keep in mind that Bekele has practically done this, too, except with his WR being the 5k and his close performance being the marathon.

What's crazy is that in less than two years we've gone from "holy cow, he just about went sub-2 who cares if it was orchestrated," to "put him in Boston with a tailwind and there's a 1:59 with yesterday's effort."

Seriously, it is ON to get the sub-2, no matter how at this point, because it's going to happen before we know it.

(But Mutai's 2:05 at NYC is the mark.)