You forgot the 1.42 wrote:
VIPAM wrote:
I dont know which is harder to believe an 8:44.33 steeple by a woman or 17 year old running 3:31.18 for 1500m. The women's 800m will have alot of momentum off earlier performances, hell 1:51 wouldn't surprise. This meet is too much....oh yeah 7 men under 3:32. Really Monaco?
1.42/3.28/8.44 is pretty mind boggling. Or eyebrow raising. Isn't the track short someone was saying? ;-)
Or 48.97. Yes something ain't right about this track.
So she smashes drug cheat Jebet’s WR, what a joke. It's like Bolt being 0.21s faster than Ben Johnson
Dr. Jos Rosahermens wrote:
The 17 yr old has to endure year round drug testing while his smirking opponents from certain regions are literally never tested out of season.
Why lie about something so easily disprovable? Mathew Kisorio, Jemima Sumgong, Asbel Kiprop and Rita Jeptoo have all failed out of competition tests in Kenya. John Ngugi was banned for refusing an out of competition test in Kenya in 1993.
Look at the 3000 steeple. Ruth Jebet gold at Rio and WR holder with 8'52"78 , had tested positive for the blood booster Epo.
Now Beatrice Chepkoech destroys the Jebet record by 8 seconds . Wow thats impressive.............
Sondre Nordstad Moen, world class Norwegian distance runner, is effectively living in Kenya. He is harbouring love and passion for the country,
However, he is very critical to the anti-doping work in Kenya qualifying it as "practically inexistant".
https://www.dagbladet.no/sport/nordstad-moen-om-dopingarbeidet-i-kenya---ikke-eksisterende/69775921
Jeff Wigand wrote:
Dr. Jos Rosahermens wrote:
The 17 yr old has to endure year round drug testing while his smirking opponents from certain regions are literally never tested out of season.
Why lie about something so easily disprovable? Mathew Kisorio, Jemima Sumgong, Asbel Kiprop and Rita Jeptoo have all failed out of competition tests in Kenya. John Ngugi was banned for refusing an out of competition test in Kenya in 1993.
That guy and MAPIV are one in the same. As far as MAPIV nit knowing who I am and his apology. I accept but Sir you have been houndng, belittling, and stalking me for years with the same username (whuch is mine backwards ).
Something is amiss with Beatrice and Jakob their performances rival their opposition (Beatrice all demale steeplers and Jakob youth) by too great of a margin. Several others are suspect in other events as well.
Ok when I saw this 8:44 I immediately thought drugs, what with Jebet being popped for EPO.
Then I found out that this girl lives and trains in Holland and is coached by Bram Som! This makes her startlingly legitimate.
When I thought about it, 8:44 isn't unreasonable given how fast some women including Laura Muir have run for 3000m.
VIPAM wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
Why lie about something so easily disprovable? Mathew Kisorio, Jemima Sumgong, Asbel Kiprop and Rita Jeptoo have all failed out of competition tests in Kenya. John Ngugi was banned for refusing an out of competition test in Kenya in 1993.
That guy and MAPIV are one in the same. As far as MAPIV nit knowing who I am and his apology. I accept but Sir you have been houndng, belittling, and stalking me for years with the same username (whuch is mine backwards ).
Something is amiss with Beatrice and Jakob their performances rival their opposition (Beatrice all demale steeplers and Jakob youth) by too great of a margin. Several others are suspect in other events as well.
Mr. Vipam, I have never been hounding you for years, let alone yesterday.
I literally made that handle up on the spot. Simply contact the moderators and have them check.
Unbeknownst to me, someone (not me) must have been using the same name for years based on what you are claiming. I just happened to reverse your handle and put it in capital letters yesterday. Hard for you to believe, but true.
Coincidences happen, that's why they are coincidences. Simply contact the moderators and have them ban me for life if I'm who you are claiming.
If the moderators lie and ban me anyways, it won't matter to me in the least---I don't live here (but I do check the main page for results).
Fair enough? If I was who you claim, would I really take the time to post something like this?
Steeple is still a somewhat young event for women, and it's always had less depth than the flat races. Just by looking at the relationship between steeple times and flat times on the men's side, it's pretty clear that there was room for improvement on the women's side.
VIPAM wrote:
I dont know which is harder to believe an 8:44.33 steeple by a woman or 17 year old running 3:31.18 for 1500m. The women's 800m will have alot of momentum off earlier performances, hell 1:51 wouldn't surprise. This meet is too much....oh yeah 7 men under 3:32. Really Monaco?
That track is SHORT everyone should know by now.... There you go Brojos some investigative journalism for you guys....
You forgot the 1.42 wrote:
1.42/3.28/8.44 is pretty mind boggling. Or eyebrow raising. Isn't the track short someone was saying? ;-)
So let me get this straight. They miscalculated the length of the track AND the length of the 3000m steeple (which obviously has a different track configuration)?
Msjsjsj wrote:
You forgot the 1.42 wrote:
1.42/3.28/8.44 is pretty mind boggling. Or eyebrow raising. Isn't the track short someone was saying? ;-)
So let me get this straight. They miscalculated the length of the track AND the length of the 3000m steeple (which obviously has a different track configuration)?
Intentionally miscalculated. The IAAF has gone to great lengths to create a narrative to influence the immensely popular and significant sport, Athletics.
Haha.
Semiler wrote:
Sondre Nordstad Moen, world class Norwegian distance runner, is effectively living in Kenya. He is harbouring love and passion for the country,
However, he is very critical to the anti-doping work in Kenya qualifying it as "practically inexistant".
https://www.dagbladet.no/sport/nordstad-moen-om-dopingarbeidet-i-kenya---ikke-eksisterende/69775921
Can't read or understand Norwegian, but not surprising for these foreigners to turn and start trash talking the country once they're done using it to serve their purpose (see those unlikable kiwis). It's why, if I was a Kenyan athlete, I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them. But for him to join in the blanket piling on of all Kenyans because (in this case) of the Kiprop bust, disappointing because I thought he, at least, was different and knew the country better, unlike the "they're all doped to the gills" crowd. Hopefully he's left Kenya for good.
broken arrow wrote:
Something is amiss, Beatrice running 2:55-2:54-2:55 1k splits and finishing smiling and not out of breath after annihilating the WR in the steeple????
Hematocrit of 72% most likely.
Maybe its a combination of things that make Monaco a track to run incredible performances in any case you rarely see such depth, fast times, and in several different events.
El Keniano wrote:
Semiler wrote:
Sondre Nordstad Moen, world class Norwegian distance runner, is effectively living in Kenya. He is harbouring love and passion for the country,
However, he is very critical to the anti-doping work in Kenya qualifying it as "practically inexistant".
https://www.dagbladet.no/sport/nordstad-moen-om-dopingarbeidet-i-kenya---ikke-eksisterende/69775921Can't read or understand Norwegian, but not surprising for these foreigners to turn and start trash talking the country once they're done using it to serve their purpose (see those unlikable kiwis). It's why, if I was a Kenyan athlete, I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them. But for him to join in the blanket piling on of all Kenyans because (in this case) of the Kiprop bust, disappointing because I thought he, at least, was different and knew the country better, unlike the "they're all doped to the gills" crowd. Hopefully he's left Kenya for good.
So you think he should have kept silent about the shockingly low standards of anti-doping in Kenya as compared to the West?
I read the Google translation and it's a good article. Top coaches like Canova, and nobodies like ex-letsrunner, accuse me of being ignorant and not knowing the sport, and dismiss my judgment of Kenyan running as 'racism', but it seems that the top non-Africans who have to actually compete against them, share my opinions close to 100% (Nick Willis, Moen, David Torrence). Here is the translated English text :
New doping scandal in Kenya: Asbel Kiprop tested positive for EPO
Nordstad Moen about the doping work in Kenya: - Non-existent
Once again Kenya and the country's lack of doping work are in focus. Kiprop claims to have been notified of the control that he was pushed for money and that the tests were tampered with.
By Magnus Gamlem
(Dagbladet): Doping work in Kenya is again in the spotlight. Earlier this week, the Olympic champion and three-time World Cup winner Asbel Kiprop were taken for use by EPO, but the 1500-meter race is far from unique.
In a country that has bred more of the world's largest long-distance runners, Kiprop is just the tip of the iceberg.
Over the last five years, more than 50 Kenyan athletes have been taken for doping. And even this vast scale probably shows only part of the full and complete truth about the doping culture in the country.
"It's a shame for the sport, and especially for us. It's a contradiction to other athletes when someone is taken to use performance-enhancing drugs, Kiprop told BBC after more of the countrymen had been taken in 2015.
Now he himself has become one of them.
It is one of the most unique places of sport. The village of Iten has for many years served as a place of residence for high-level training, and is the place where the Kenyans go for the best. Thousands of practitioners have been through the training site, and have gradually helped establish Kenya as the dominant nation in long-distance running.
In the midst of all the hardy Kenyans, Norse Sondre Nordstad Moen is located. He has been in Iten for a large part of the year and has come close to the training culture in the country.
Dagbladet talked with him a few hours before the first reports of Kiprop came out, and the Norwegian had this to say about his perception of anti-doping work in the country.
"It has been almost non-existent until the last years. When you know how much money you can get by winning big races and how corrupt it is in that country you can imagine the rest. Many runners come from humble cows, and many are willing to sacrifice everything to reach the top. It is politics and money that governs sports now more than ever before, Nordstad Moen believes in the conditions in the African country.
He is even under strict and thorough doping control.
"I'm still being tested," says Nordstad Moen, who visits Antidoping Norway several times a year.
He came seriously on the radar of the Norwegian people when he ran the fastest marathon of a non-African in December last year.
In an Athletics Norway, bubbling over by young, exciting and forward-looking athletes, the 27-year-old has emerged as the long-distance hope.
He says it's hard to jump over 200 kilometers a week through the winter in Norway, without spending much of the day on the treadmill, and has therefore chosen to have Iten, Kenya as the training arena.
"Therefore, I'm looking for good training environments, and here in Kenya there are unbelievably many who bet 100 percent. You can go to the other good places and train in height, but the motivation is different here. Here are many who bet on everything from 10,000 meters to the marathon, and I can switch between training with different types of runners. It is absolutely unique, says Nordstad Moen.
He went to Kenya earlier this week and will be there on Bislett Games on June 7th.
The case around Asbel Kiprop is about to develop into a farce. After the B test also gave a positive impact on EPO, the practitioners have been in the defensive position, claiming that the tests must have been tampered with.
Messages, such as the German journalist Hajo Seppelt have received, must indicate that Kiprop was notified by doping guys the day before. Later he must have been pressured for money by the same inspectors.
VIPAM wrote:
Let's not FORGET THE 3:31.18 by a 17 yr old. In my opinion that is one of the best performances by a youth in any event. Can we believe he is clean but Beatrice is dirty. To me both of them as well as a few others raise suspicion to me.
Add Soulieman that nosedived the last 2 years after his coach Aden's Spanish bust, struggling in 3:38 races. Now he has miraculously returned to pre-sabadell levels with 2x 3:31 this season. Highly suspicious.
ex-runner wrote:
Ok when I saw this 8:44 I immediately thought drugs, what with Jebet being popped for EPO.
Then I found out that this girl lives and trains in Holland and is coached by Bram Som! This makes her startlingly legitimate.
When I thought about it, 8:44 isn't unreasonable given how fast some women including Laura Muir have run for 3000m.
I believe you, but where did you find this information that she is coach by Bram Som and in Holland. If this is true, no one should really have much suspicion as she would have to deal with European standards of drug testing.
Som coaches/oversees her through Global Sports. She lives in Kenya most of the time training with a group. In my opinion she is just the better runner. Finally someone in the womens steeple who can actually run. Saw Frerichs broke 60 for 400 this year for the first time. Women's steeple is just a weak event. Low barriers. 20seconds differential 3K to steeple for most of the top 10 women in the world.
