Does anybody realize how fast Ben True and Ryan Hill ran in the 2-mile?

VDOT for 01:25:53 21.0975km: 53.8

Equivalent race times based on VDOT:

Marathon: 02:59:18

Half marathon: 01:25:56

15K: 00:59:41

10K: 00:38:49

5K: 00:18:43

3Mi: 00:18:02

2Mi: 00:11:41

3200m: 00:11:37

3K: 00:10:50

1Mi: 00:05:28

1600m: 00:05:26

1500m: 00:05:04

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Hi ho the dairyo wrote:

Because trackbot goes off the rails below 3000m

1955 wrote:

Hmm, hard to see that 13:12 5k is equivalent to 3:50 mile.

Trackbot only spits outs what the closest VDOT equivalencies are. It's Daniels work, not trackbot.

Hi ho the dairyo wrote:

Because trackbot goes off the rails below 3000m

1955 wrote:

Hmm, hard to see that 13:12 5k is equivalent to 3:50 mile.

No, you guys are just ignorant. It isn't TrackBot. TrackBot is using Daniel's vdot calculations. Daniel's vdot are calculating competitive equivalency. They are calculating "if i can run this time for this distance, then what time can i run for that distance". To do this, it has to assume a certain type of runner with a certain type of endurance. It won't be accurate for you if you do not fit that profile.

If you want something more accurate, then you'll have to use a 2-input calculator like

Actually, I think the greatest pre-meet hype was on (Gold medalist) Centro's foray into the 2-mile.

vault polar wrote:

The whole damn meet revolved around the pole vault if I remember correctly

The cat's correct wrote:

8:11 is close to 8:07

Based on the difficulty required to get from one to the next, it is not. 8:11 is more or less as close to 8:07 as 8:07 is to 8:03. 8:03 happens to be the Indoor 2-Mile World Record, which Rupp most likely will not break.

If even there splits I think they get the record.

Seyta wrote:

The cat's correct wrote:

8:11 is close to 8:07

Based on the difficulty required to get from one to the next, it is not. 8:11 is more or less as close to 8:07 as 8:07 is to 8:03. 8:03 happens to be the Indoor 2-Mile World Record, which Rupp most likely will not break.

There's too much nonsensical stuff here to point it all out..

Didn't watch the race, but I saw all the lap splits. True went out in 4:11 and negative split a 4:00. If Ford Palmer was the rabbit then he didn't set them up on AR pace. Definitely realistic to think True could drop 3.92 seconds with the rabbit pulling the race out harder and him actually attempting to go for the AR rather than sitting and kicking.

poor effort wrote:

The cat's correct wrote:

8:11 is close to 8:07

Yeah, I guess 13.58 is close to 9.58 too, Usain.

moran

I assume this is a joke?

Anyway:

8:11 ÷ 8:07 = 1.00821

1.00821 × 9.58 = 9.66

If Brommel ran 9.66 this year I think you'd be getting excited that he might break the WR.

Does anyone realise how fast Farahs 8:03 WR is?

Equivalent of 7:27 indoors.

Rabbits wrote:

Didn't watch the race, but I saw all the lap splits. True went out in 4:11 and negative split a 4:00. If Ford Palmer was the rabbit then he didn't set them up on AR pace. Definitely realistic to think True could drop 3.92 seconds with the rabbit pulling the race out harder and him actually attempting to go for the AR rather than sitting and kicking.

While more even splits might have helped, True is more of a negative splits runner. I don't think even splits would have made him a whole 3.92 seconds faster. If he gets out at 4:05, the field is tired, things get a little tactical after the rabbit drops and they can't close as fast. He comes back and runs 4:05 for an 8:10. He gets out in 4:07, comes back and runs 4:03. He runs gets out in 4:11, comes back and runs 4:00 which is amazing in its own right. Even without tactics, this doesn't change the final result much cause the past was so fast. He wasn't sitting and kicking, he was hauling and just simply had the most left.

and what is komens 7:58 worth indoors then?

The rabbit was slow thru the mile, so they actually ran negative splits. A better-paced race might have resulted in faster times. Maybe.

Middle94 wrote:

poor effort wrote:

Yeah, I guess 13.58 is close to 9.58 too, Usain.

moran

I assume this is a joke?

Anyway:

8:11 ÷ 8:07 = 1.00821

1.00821 × 9.58 = 9.66

If Brommel ran 9.66 this year I think you'd be getting excited that he might break the WR.

I'd hope this 'poor effort' guy is a troll.

Here's what I got:

4s / 3218m = 0.001243s/m

0.001243s/m x 100m = 0.1243s

9.58s + 0.1243s = 9.704s for 100m

8:11 is to 8:07 as 9.66 is to 9.58. Pretty darn close.

RedBloodSells wrote:

Middle94 wrote:

I assume this is a joke?

Anyway:

8:11 ÷ 8:07 = 1.00821

1.00821 × 9.58 = 9.66

If Brommel ran 9.66 this year I think you'd be getting excited that he might break the WR.

I'd hope this 'poor effort' guy is a troll.

Here's what I got:

4s / 3218m = 0.001243s/m

0.001243s/m x 100m = 0.1243s

9.58s + 0.1243s = 9.704s for 100m

The math you have is fine, but it's not looking at the same thing. The guy doing 1.00821 is looking at the percentage difference between the two records. I.E. 8:11 is about .8% slower than the indoor AR.

Yours is looking at the absolute difference in time. While I don't think there is anything technically invalid about what you did, I would argue it's not as representative as a %age difference because .1243s is a more significant time to make up over 100m due to higher speeds and greater wind resistance. It's much easier to run .1243s per 100m faster when going from 180s/100m to 178.xx s/100m than it is to go from 9.7s to 9.58s per 100m.

True should set up an AR attempt at the BU Last Chance meet.

1.) It's a fast track.

2.) It's close to home for him.

3.) He's in shape.

4.) He would love to take the AR away from Rupp.

Its gotta be said wrote:

8:11 equates to about 7:34-5 for 3000m. Pretty solid considering how close the were to Rupp's american indoor record of 8:07. Could they finally break through the 13:00 barrier.

Not exactly close, 4 seconds is a pretty decent spread for a 3k. 4 seconds could be the difference between first and last in a DL race. However, considering True was racing and simply ran what was necessary to win. If the early pace was a little faster, I suspect he could have run under 8:10.

Seyta wrote:

The cat's correct wrote:

8:11 is close to 8:07

Based on the difficulty required to get from one to the next, it is not. 8:11 is more or less as close to 8:07 as 8:07 is to 8:03. 8:03 happens to be the Indoor 2-Mile World Record, which Rupp most likely will not break.

This is really poor logic.