CENTRO!!!

1) It's a bad race - he just ran 3.37 ripping off a 52 last lap. He is not "done"

2) So he probably shuts in down in the straight - may have run 1.47 high if not. If you want to criticize him for that then that's fair but he is a pro and knows what he is doing and it's his prerogative.

3) That kind of 800m race will never suit him. Centro's ceiling for 800m is probably half a second faster than his current PR - around 1.44.1-2. Those of you who think he will ever be busting 1.43's have stars in your f$#king eyes. Point is, a race going out in under 50 doesn't really suit him. Sure he can still go through 400 in around 51 but will be at the tail of the field as he was in Lausanne. Looking at Centro's best races, they are when he is up in the top third of the race which mentally just suits some athletes better (good example Centro likes the front of races, Willis likes to watch the field from the back of races). Best race for Centro to run 1.44 low is going through in 51.5 at the top of the field and that is not a race that will ever happen with Rudisha, Aman, Bosse, Amos in it.

He needs the right pace aaaaand the right place to run well?

Talk about certified.

Dude, have you ever been in an 800m race attempting to run your ABSOLUTE potential? Pace and position aren't just important for Matt Centrowitz, they are important for every runner. I mean you don't even need to know much about the sport to know this. Clearly that is the case with you.

Frankly I wonder why Centro chose to do another 800. His 1:44 shows that his speed is there -- so why bother trying to better that time?? It isn't his specialist event, period. I my opinion he should either enter a DL 1500 in London or Stockholm and knuckle down to some more training.

What time did he go through the first lap I'm just trying to work out how far out Vents prediction was

Jet lagged, yes! Appearance fee, earned by showing up. Pretty smart dude if you think about it.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

What time did he go through the first lap I'm just trying to work out how far out Vents prediction was

He went through 400m in c. 51.5, which is just about perfect for someone with a 1:44 mid pb.

His 200 splits were ~ 24.6, 26.9, 27.4 (estimate based on how far behind Aman he was prior to 600 mark and a few seconds after), 30.3!?

That is not the run of someone capable of 1:43 low. I think 1:44 is about his limit.

Even more bizarre was Aman's total crumbling in the last 200m, reminiscent of one of his early races (Doha I think!?) . That's twice now he's run poorly, which isn't normal for him. He went through 400 in 51.1 and 600 in 1:17.0, so not too fast. His last 200 was 29.0, and he didn't ease up, he was struggling. Strange!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

What time did he go through the first lap I'm just trying to work out how far out Vents prediction was

you have terrible reading comprehension

Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:

Dude, have you ever been in an 800m race attempting to run your ABSOLUTE potential? Pace and position aren't just important for Matt Centrowitz, they are important for every runner. I mean you don't even need to know much about the sport to know this. Clearly that is the case with you.

Position is irrelevant to running your fastest time. It's all about hitting the right pace. If your positioning affects you physically then you have some mental problems.q

Toasted wrote:

are you stupid?

wtfbot wrote:

Umm, I say 1:49.20 sucks as an 800m time in the Diamond League. Just because he runs for Nike doesn't mean he should be in the race.

I tell you what I DO like, though: All the f-ing idiots who thought that Centro is capable of 1:43 and whatnot, well look at that--not even close. So shut up, ventolin & crowd.

He is capable of alot faster than what he just ran you idiot

Yes 1:49 isnt very good at for a diamond league race but you are honestly stupid as S**t if you dont think that he could run any faster than that

I hope you know that youre an idiot

HI VENTOLIN.

sorry ya got burned!

hhrf wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

What time did he go through the first lap I'm just trying to work out how far out Vents prediction was

you have terrible reading comprehension

This is an athletics site but your comment makes no sense and missed out the capital letter and full stop. Change your use name (again) and keep trying!

Does anyone on here do anything other than argue and talk crap.

What time did Centro go through the first lap?

ukathleticscoach wrote:

hhrf wrote:

you have terrible reading comprehension

This is an athletics site but your comment makes no sense and missed out the capital letter and full stop. Change your use name (again) and keep trying!

Does anyone on here do anything other than argue and talk crap.

What time did Centro go through the first lap?

No, my comment makes perfect sense. Your comment doesn't make any sense.

I know this is an athletics site. What does that have to do with anything that we are talking about? What does missing out on a capital letter and full stop have to do with anything?

What does changing my username (I never did) have to do with anything? What do I need to keep trying to do?

I'm not arguing or talking crap. You are the one that is doing that. This is what you said: "I'm just trying to work out how far out Vents prediction was"

Nothing you just said makes sense or is relevant.

You've just changer your user name again. Reading comprehension is not the same as grammar. Then making grammatical errors yourself is just beyond a joke. I might as well discuss this with my cat as you I should not have to explain the Ventolin prediction of sub 1:43

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How fast was Centro's first lap.?

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Or Is that to difficult as question for you!

I put it in an earlier post, but I have Centro at 51.5 for 400m :)

24.6's obviously too fast for Centro; with a 2 second plus drop to the next 200m that makes it clear (51.5 is fine but for him, not sub 25). But at any rate, you can't judge much of anything from a 1:49 run by a 1:44 guy other than that he was tired, whether from hard training, jet lag, or both. I wouldn't make bets that Centro won't run 1:43. He's dropped a lot of time recently. .63 is not much.

Deanouk wrote:

I put it in an earlier post, but I have Centro at 51.5 for 400m :)

Cheers Deano

So he blew up even though running at a pace below Ventolins prediction!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

I put it in an earlier post, but I have Centro at 51.5 for 400m :)

Cheers Deano

So he blew up even though running at a pace below Ventolins prediction!

Exactly! 51.5 is perfect for a 1500 type aiming to run a 1:44.

He had loads to drafting too. Of course he can't go from 1:44.6 form to 1:49 in a couple of weeks, but it does show that 1:44 is probably his limit for 800 and that he isn't capable of 1:42 high that others have suggested.

And a first 200 of 24.6 would be fine for a supposed 1:43 runner.

nonsense

that new york race had wind for 200 immediately after as - 2.8 !!!

that is criminal wind, probably costing ~ 1s for overall time

in new york, despite that wind, he went thru in ~ 51.2, which wouda been more like 50-high on a 0 wind day

he went helluva lot slower in lausanne

a ridiculous 2.3s difference between initial 200 splits !!!

the difference shoud be ~ 0.5s in a smooth 800

he clearly did go out too fast in 1st 200, when he shouda been aiming for ~ 24-high/25-flat, but 24.6 shoudn't have wrecked him

he clearly was hugely off his game if 2.3s slower for next 200

clueless

all that tells us is that it was a terrible race for him

aman & bosse, who are both 1'42 guys didn't have much better splits & also bombed

he joined a new camp end of last season as far as i'm aware & clearly having difficulty adapting

nonsense

51.5 pace is that expected for a

1'45.0

with usual 2s +ve splits

you clearly have no clue about the event

it does not matter if you are 1500 or 10k guy running a 800, there is a certain 400 split, which if smoothly achieved with 0.5s slowing 200s, that the last lap will be 2s slower than 1st

all 800 attempts have to be assessed on that basis

if a 1'43.0 guy runs it off 51.0 / 52.0, then what on earth do you think his 800 woud be off 50.5 or even 50.0 ???

you have to quicken the initial 400 until all you can produce is a 2s slower next 400, regardless of whatever your primary distance is

clueless

100% expected

even if he ran 1'42-high/1'43-flat, he wouda been expected to have got no better than 6th if the field ran upto par

that means significant drafting factored in already

are you so inept as to not realise this ?!

nonsense

his 1'44.6 was run with wind which maya been -2.8 !!! as that was wind for next race

that is wrecking wind which cost at least 1s

he came into lausanne with a likely effective pb of more like ~ 1'43-mid if that had been 0 wind day

he woud expect at some stage to improve upon that as that was his 1st ever elite-field 800

utter nonsense

24.6 is pace for :

( 4 * initial 200 ) + 3

=

1'41.4 !!!

what on earth is coe alleged to have gone thru in 200 in his 1'41.7 ???