Grant Fisher 3:42.89 at PJ

Charles Philibert of Canada finished just a head of Fisher. He has run 7:53 indoors this winter and has 3:38/3:57 outdoor prs.

Only the second meet of the outdoor season for Fisher? Great effort for him, some very exciting weeks a head for this kid.

Milling Miler wrote:

It's a Good, but still not a sub 4 mile equivalent

Isnt 4.00 = 3.43.00 (17 seconds) ?

3:42.89 converts to 3:57.75 for a 1600 and 3:59.14 for the FULL MILE. I have no idea what people are talking about when they say this isn't a good time for a high schooler. Mark my words: Grant Fisher will break 4 in an outright mile this year.

BryanCMU wrote:

3:42.89 converts to 3:57.75 for a 1600 and 3:59.14 for the FULL MILE. I have no idea what people are talking about when they say this isn't a good time for a high schooler. Mark my words: Grant Fisher will break 4 in an outright mile this year.

3:42.89 x 1.08 = 4:00.72.

Hopefully he'll have a good shot at it this season.

It's the first week in May. If some kid had just run the equivalent of a 4:07.8 mile in the second outdoor race of his season, would people be questioning whether he was prepared to break the 4:07.00 "barrier" within the next two months or so?

Milling Miler wrote:

It's a Good, but still not a sub 4 mile equivalent, even with people in front of him. Could it be that Grant just doesn't have the leg speed to become an outstanding miler? I see him projecting as a national class 5K runner in a few years. In noticed that the Oregon freshman, Blake Haney ran a very nice 3:41.27 in the same race. I looks like Haney has adjusted well to college training.

This is ridiculous. Centro ran at the NYC Grand Prix at the end of his senior year and didn't run this fast. How did things shake out for him?

Shame he ran much of the race on the outside of lane 2 as it looks like the collegiate guys were boxing him out for most of the race. I actually think he can run much faster with HS competition; it's not like he's leagues above everyone else so at the right stacked race (something like the Dream Mile) he could have just one guy to key off of and then outkick for a quicker time.

Fisher ran a 56.9 last lap, the 6th fastest in the race out of 12. It's possible that he, and others, could have run a faster 1500 if the early pace had been faster. The section 3 pacemaker ran the first 700 at 1:45 compared to 1:43, 1:42 and 1:41 for sections 4,2 &1.

1609/1500 = 1.072. 1.08 is a conversion guess.

I do not understand this ongoing trend amongst prep milers and their coaches to avoid going for the sub-4 when in range and then sometimes switch sports.

Sub-4 status in high school launches the runner's career into the stratosphere.

German Fernandez should have gone for it. He would have been a much heralded runner if he had achieved it. Bernie Montoya too. If I were in their shoes junior, that is within a few seconds, I would have run as often as needed and focused like Marty Liqouri did on that one goal.

I think these coaches and these runners are doing a enormous disservice to themselves.

Milling Miler wrote:

It's a Good, but still not a sub 4 mile equivalent, even with people in front of him. Could it be that Grant just doesn't have the leg speed to become an outstanding miler? I see him projecting as a national class 5K runner in a few years. In noticed that the Oregon freshman, Blake Haney ran a very nice 3:41.27 in the same race. I looks like Haney has adjusted well to college training.

Perhaps not that great leg speed. But we all know that what really matters is leg speed velocity.

SPEED IS SPEED, MORON!

newname wrote:

You don't believe that he IS ALREADY and outstanding miler?

What would one have to run to be considered (by you) to be an outstanding miler?

He'd need to have run 3:35 but all cartwheels on the last lap.

Captain Leg Speed Velocity wrote:

Perhaps not that great leg speed. But we all know that what really matters is leg speed velocity.

SPEED IS SPEED, MORON!

Velocity is the vector form of speed, i.e. speed + direction. The phrase "leg speed velocity" is redundant. Maybe make a point of understanding the words you're using so you can say something that's actually meaningful.

A-K wrote:

Captain Leg Speed Velocity wrote:

Perhaps not that great leg speed. But we all know that what really matters is leg speed velocity.

SPEED IS SPEED, MORON!

Velocity is the vector form of speed, i.e. speed + direction. The phrase "leg speed velocity" is redundant. Maybe make a point of understanding the words you're using so you can say something that's actually meaningful.

What does, "a high rate of speed mean"?

That one bothers me. The answer is acceleration which isn't speed. You can have a "high rate of speed-acceleration" and not be moving at all.

Another oft abused term goes like this, "a crocidile has a bite force of 4000 lb per sq inch". Lb per square inch is "pressure" not "force".

A-K wrote:

Captain Leg Speed Velocity wrote:

Perhaps not that great leg speed. But we all know that what really matters is leg speed velocity.

SPEED IS SPEED, MORON!

Velocity is the vector form of speed, i.e. speed + direction. The phrase "leg speed velocity" is redundant. Maybe make a point of understanding the words you're using so you can say something that's actually meaningful.

Idiot.

The concept of leg speed velocity transcends such stupid elementary physics.

newname wrote:

Milling Miler wrote:

It's a Good, but still not a sub 4 mile equivalent, even with people in front of him. Could it be that Grant just doesn't have the leg speed to become an outstanding miler? I see him projecting as a national class 5K runner in a few years. In noticed that the Oregon freshman, Blake Haney ran a very nice 3:41.27 in the same race. I looks like Haney has adjusted well to college training.

You don't believe that he IS ALREADY and outstanding miler?

What would one have to run to be considered (by you) to be an outstanding miler?

Yeah, that was a ridiculous post and mentioning Haney was about as relevant as mentioning Saarel.

Fisher will go sub-4:00, if he gets in the right mile race in good conditions. I would bet he'll go 3:58 or faster, actually, once he sharpens up. Hopefully he will run Prefontaine.

But, there is a lot of pressure to break that magical barrier. He may not do it even if he's entirely capable. Still one of the greats.

BryanCMU wrote:

3:42.89 converts to 3:57.75 for a 1600 and 3:59.14 for the FULL MILE. I have no idea what people are talking about when they say this isn't a good time for a high schooler. Mark my words: Grant Fisher will break 4 in an outright mile this year.

Wrong. Educate yourself. I'm tired of seeing this every time someone runs 3:42 mid/high.

Stephen Hawking wrote:

A-K wrote:

Velocity is the vector form of speed, i.e. speed + direction. The phrase "leg speed velocity" is redundant. Maybe make a point of understanding the words you're using so you can say something that's actually meaningful.

Idiot.

The concept of leg speed velocity transcends such stupid elementary physics.

Exactly!

A-K appears to be VERY new around here. Hopefully he will learn.

Are you insane? So, according to you, no one has ever been an outstanding miler (other than Alan Webb) at the HS level? Somehow I don't think you thought that statement through. There have not even been 500 U.S. runners to EVER break four and only 5 to do so in HS. I think you need to rethink your statement.