• LetsRun.com
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      • The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/9/2019 9:34PM
      • LetsRun.com
        your benevolent dictator
      • Well really one pro.
    • ThatAverageRunner
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      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/9/2019 9:43PM - in reply to LetsRun.com
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      • Give us the deets damnit
    • it's just rojo trying to sing adele
      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/9/2019 9:46PM - in reply to LetsRun.com
      • it's just rojo trying to sing adele
      • LetsRun.com wrote:

        Well really one pro.

        Correction: one former pro.

        Correction: one former pro's identical twin brother.
    • LetsRun.com
      your benevolent dictator
      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/9/2019 10:10PM - in reply to it's just rojo trying to sing adele
      • LetsRun.com
        your benevolent dictator
      • it's just rojo trying to sing adele wrote:

        LetsRun.com wrote:

        Well really one pro.

        Correction: one former pro.

        Correction: one former pro's identical twin brother.

        Two active pros . One made world's in 2017
    • Bra-ket
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      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/9/2019 10:21PM - in reply to LetsRun.com
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      • If one of the brojos does karaoke to "Flamingo" by Kero Kero Bonito I'll love them for ever
    • my guess
      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/9/2019 10:44PM - in reply to LetsRun.com
      • my guess
      • After seeing the party after Coburn's hometown race last summer I would guess Coburn and Praught.
    • Demethedream
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      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/10/2019 6:59AM - in reply to my guess
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      • We left right as this was really picking up steam. The Coogans owner had just wrapped up a soulful performance. When we left Craig E was on a war path to get some Nickelback to sing.
    • LeDictator
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      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/10/2019 8:16AM - in reply to LetsRun.com
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      • Craig E, Isaiah H, Rob F, Joe W nearly took coogans down last night, never have I seen personalities like that in this sport! Ode to Freddy Mercury. Great runners, should stick with Middle D, not singing
    • 4x8
      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/10/2019 8:57PM - in reply to
      • 4x8
      • Travis Thompson posted video.
    • KudzuRunner
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      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/10/2019 9:03PM - in reply to LetsRun.com
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      • I miss my NYC home. Lived in Inwood, about 40 blocks north of Coogan's, for many years. Went there a few times. Great place.
    • Us vs the world
      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/10/2019 9:06PM - in reply to 4x8
      • Us vs the world
      • Guys like Kejelcha are sleeping 10 hours and getting up early. I don’t fault the Americans for enjoying life but there is a difference in dedication.
    • Not Particularly
      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/10/2019 10:01PM - in reply to Us vs the world
      • Not Particularly
      • It's the evening after the biggest meet of thee indoor season,with life-altering performances by many of them. They don't have to be "dedicated" at that moment.
    • Typical American
      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/10/2019 10:30PM - in reply to Not Particularly
      • Typical American
      • They don’t have to be but the best in the world are. That is the point. Americans enjoy themselves. Other cultures are truely driven.
    • Really bro
      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/11/2019 12:41AM - in reply to Typical American
      • Really bro
      • Typical American wrote:

        They don’t have to be but the best in the world are. That is the point. Americans enjoy themselves. Other cultures are truely driven.

        We are the the most athletically accomplished country in the world. Not even close.
    • Næh
      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/11/2019 12:44AM - in reply to Really bro
      • Næh
      • Really bro wrote:

        Typical American wrote:

        They don’t have to be but the best in the world are. That is the point. Americans enjoy themselves. Other cultures are truely driven.

        We are the the most athletically accomplished country in the world. Not even close.

        Certainly not on average. Actually, might be the least athletic country in the world in terms of average population.

        Well, behind the Vatican maybe.
    • D3 is dumb
      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/11/2019 6:01AM - in reply to Næh
      • D3 is dumb
      • Most people here were liberal arts majors at D3 schools. They didn’t learn facts or math. You are correct that nearly every European country is more accomplished. The athletic event that takes the most disciplined lifestyle is the marathon. Our guys aren’t leading the world there.
    • let's get this straight
      • RE: The pros are starting to karaoke at Coogans right now 2/11/2019 6:51AM - in reply to D3 is dumb
      • let's get this straight
      • D3 is dumb wrote:

        Most people here were liberal arts majors at D3 schools. They didn’t learn facts or math. You are correct that nearly every European country is more accomplished. The athletic event that takes the most disciplined lifestyle is the marathon. Our guys aren’t leading the world there.

        So some mid-d guys mugging it up at karaoke night is the reason why USA male marathoners are not doing well? That's some leap of logic! Where did you go to school?

        Let's get some things straight. The women ARE doing well in the marathon at the world level. They are competitive and ahead of the Europeans.

        Men's marathon, other than Rupp and a few here and there, has not been at the top for decades. Behind the Africans, Japan, and combined Europe. And well behind where we were 35-40 years ago. I don't think it's karaoke. I think it's partly our development system, professionalism, and quite possibly the training. And yes, some cultural attributes might be playing into it.

        First the development system. Seems like we are producing more good distance runners than ever at the high school and college level, but very few are making the next step. And for whatever reason the good 10K and half marathoners haven't seemed to have translated their success to the marathon. So you get 27:30 guys running 2:12 and 28:00 runners doing 2:13-14. Whereas back in the day, those fast 10K runners would be doing 2:09-2:11s. You'd think that with improved knowledge and training, we'd see some 2:07 - 2:10 runners instead. So what's going on there.

        Next, while, professionalism has helped a lot of individual athletes success in distance running hasn't necessarily followed. Part of this is that the athletes are thinking long-term (a career) rather than about going for fast times or Olympic/world class placings at major races. So the really good 5K - 10K runners are doing those distances until they are 28 or 30 and then do the marathon only at the end of their career. That's a big difference compared to when a lot of the runners were starting marathons fairly early. However, the Salazar paradigm (peaking at 22-24) scared a lot off. But maybe if some of these guys started out at 23-25 instead.

        Training system. Too many runners are burning out in training. Running super fast workouts in their build up and then not hitting on all cylinders on race day. Does social media play a role in this? Maybe. And relating to the first point, what are the Japanese doing that we are not? Is the NCAA system with 3 intense (shorter racing at 1500- 10K) seasons a year, and performance graded on an every other week basis during those seasons too much at an early age. Meanwhile, the young Japanese runners are doing half marathons and Eikidens, allowing for better aerobic development.

        Finally, social culture of young American men. You might have something there, but it's not THE factor. Nevertheless, likely A factor.