Theoretical Footlocker/NXN merge

I agree, we need the best of the best competing against each other. No more dodging competition. And, let's start actually having XC races on actual XC courses again. Not these sissy golf courses.

Yup! Meylan's speed ratings seem pretty accurate too

Tuohy - 167 NXN

Masciarelli - 164 FL

Hart - 164 FL / 150 NXN

Chmiel - 162 NXN

VanderKooi - 159 FL

Ewert - 158 NXN / 157 FL

Covert - 157 NXN / 154 FL

Walters - 156 NXN

Theis - 154 FL

Rauber - 154 NXN

Wiser - 153 FL

Morris - 152 NXN / 143 FL

Vanderlende - 151 NXN / 149 FL

Though Tuohy had her worst race at NXN... so ideally she would be much farther ahead in most cases, but given the performances for both national meets it seems like she'd only be 9 or so seconds ahead at FL based on her run at NXN.

The unknown factor is how much Tuohy's very fast start would have affected this theoretical field. This FL race seemed much more reasonably paced.

Numbers&Stuff wrote:

Tuohy - 167 NXN

What’s her highest speed rating this season? Anyone know how it would convert to for the NXN course?

Tuohy had a 177 early in the year, though as noted on another thread you can't necessarily take that and plug it into a different course on a different day. This was Masciarelli's best I believe - I think she had a 161 at FL NE.

976EBAB wrote:

Numbers&Stuff wrote:

Tuohy - 167 NXN

What’s her highest speed rating this season? Anyone know how it would convert to for the NXN course?

On that given day, a 177 (what Tuohy ran at Holmdel) is 10 points(1pt is 3seconds) more than 167... so that means she would be 30 seconds faster than 16:37.... meaning that it would convert to 16:07 at NXN. In theory I guess?

There is no need for one championship. You think any of the runners, including the winners, really care?

Sure it would be interesting and while i would prefer just one race (my preference is nxn) there is no need for this. Its not a gotta haveta have just one race.

Geez, we are talking about high school kids. All the hype of a national championship for hs runners is ridiculous. All this does is create a bunch of internet nonsense on message boards. All this does is create an unhealthy situation for the athletes. Look at the instagram post from the two time foot locker champion. All the hype is not good for her. Someone that age shouldnt feel compelled to explain anything to the world.

Those that do well are over hyped and suddenly looked at as potentially the best ever. We predict these runners to be all time future greats before they have established maturity. We predict future records when they havent found other important interests. We predict future greatness when we dont even know if that is what they want. And we predict future greatness when they have to really worry about just a few runners in their teen years and dont know how to truly race others in a more highly competitive field.

Its usually the runners who train in a more sophisticated program that do well in high school. This includes those who hire private coaches. This is another product of too much (hype and training) too soon.

In theory. But only in theory. And I personally think a lot of uncertainty is introduced when using the numbers this way. I struggle to see how Tuohy could have possibly run 16:07 at Glendoveer this year. That would be just over a minute over a record performance in the boys race which is unheard of. just my opinion.

Bravo!

No we dont wrote:

There is no need for one championship. You think any of the runners, including the winners, really care?

Yes. Absolutely.

While a fair assessment based on times and speed ratings, Tuohy might have faired better at Footlocker than 9 seconds ahead, especially if she had skipped NXN. Why? 1) She said she started way too fast at NXN. With much fewer competitors at FL, she might not have felt compelled to pushed so hard at the start, and thus had a performance back in the >170 speed rating range as she had done earlier in the season. 2) She would have had another week to prepare.

The course seemed narrower than normal. Any expansion would require widening or moving the course.

While i would say the runners might be curious, they just focus on racing their own race. The nxn winners arent claiming he/she are the best. Neither are the footlocker winners. Instead some message board troll is trying to make those claims.

Chmiel would be 2nd at both IMO.

That is, 2nd if both championships were combined into 1 race. I think she would've won footlocker if she'd just ran footlocker. That's just my opinion based on what I've seen, Chmiel appears to be the #2 best high school cross country runner this year in my eyes. Thanks for doing your study/collecting that data from the 2 meets. It's definitely interesting.

I truly hate the "unhealthy situation for the athletes" argument. If you can't handle people talking about you and your performances, you are not cut out to be a competitive athlete. This sissy crap that seems to be infecting America can stay far away from our sport, please and thank you.

FrenchDawg wrote:

I truly hate the "unhealthy situation for the athletes" argument. If you can't handle people talking about you and your performances, you are not cut out to be a competitive athlete.

Kids take up running because it’s fun and they enjoy it, not because they say to themselves ‘ok let’s see what kind of crap losers on a message board said about me today!’

Just because there hasn’t been one doesn’t mean there’s isn’t a need. They can easily have a team/individual championship and once they figure it out, it’ll be laughable that star one point there were multiple. Having various events calling themselves the national championship is a joke and waters it all down. Loved the days of Foot Locker being king, but sadly that’s in the past and the Nike event just seems to have more cache.

[quote]Face Farter wrote:

Just because there hasn’t been one doesn’t mean there’s isn’t a need. They can easily have a team/individual championship and once they figure it out, it’ll be laughable that star one point there were multiple.

Having various events calling themselves the national championship is a joke and waters it all down. Loved the days of Foot Locker being king, but sadly that’s in the past and the Nike event just seems to have more cache.

[quote]No we dont wrote:

Well then why is everybody talking about yesterday's finish as one of the greatest races ever? Nobody remembers how the race unfolded at NXN - boring!