FAST women's indoor 5k -Kurgat, Kelati, Lokedi, Ostrander all run 15:16-15:14!

E. Sisson's indoor record is 15:12

these marks rank #3-#4-#5-#6 on the all time NCAA indoor list

Nice display of post-xc fitness.

Interesting trend for women but not men. I don’t know if it is the 10k vs 6k recovery or some psychological difference. The old way of thinking was to taper for a week leading into nationals and then cross the line with everything you have knowing that you literally did no cool down or running for the next 2 weeks. It certainly worked out for some women yesterday who now will take a break and not race again until late February which will allow them to be relatively fresh for outdoor nationals.

While most listings ignore performances achieved on 300 meter tracks given the NCAA considers 200 banked tracks and 300 meter tracks the same here is the top ten all time listing.

1. Jenny Simpson, 15:01.70

2. Emily Sisson, 15:12.22

3. Kim Smith, 15:14.18

4. Edna’s Kurgat, 15:14.78

5. Molly Seidel, 15:15.21

6. Weini Kelati, 15:15.24

7. Sharon Lokedi, 15:15.47

8. Allie Ostrander, 15:16.38

9. Sonia OSullivan, 15:17.28

10. Karissa Schweitzer, 15:17.31

Only Simpson came from a 300 meter track in Washington

I have to believe that Jones is in 15:10 shape. She will be a contender for the 5000 team in 2020.

Predictor wrote:

Interesting trend for women but not men. I don’t know if it is the 10k vs 6k recovery or some psychological difference. The old way of thinking was to taper for a week leading into nationals and then cross the line with everything you have knowing that you literally did no cool down or running for the next 2 weeks. It certainly worked out for some women yesterday who now will take a break and not race again until late February which will allow them to be relatively fresh for outdoor nationals.

Its easier coming from a 6k than a 10k to run a fast 5k on the track. The women only need a couple 1k or mile reps at5k pace and some speed to get them tuned up for a 5k, but it's hard training for a 10k on grass all season then trying to get the legs going for a 5k.

Right now the top 12 is already 15:43. After Husky and Iowa State the top 16 might be threatening sub-15:40.

ncrecuvuer wrote:

Its easier coming from a 6k than a 10k to run a fast 5k on the track. The women only need a couple 1k or mile reps at5k pace and some speed to get them tuned up for a 5k, but it's hard training for a 10k on grass all season then trying to get the legs going for a 5k.

It has almost nothing to do with this and almost everything to do with it being far easier to recover from a 20-minute race than from a 30-minute race.

Would have loved to see some of the Colorado women run this.

UNM had its top 4 run 15:14, 15:15, 15:26, and 15:42. Hard to believe this team got handled by the Buffs.

Didn't they just run the NCAA XCs a couple weeks ago?

ck3237 wrote:

Didn't they just run the NCAA XCs a couple weeks ago?

there is no spoon

I Code to Yacht Rock wrote:

ncrecuvuer wrote:

Its easier coming from a 6k than a 10k to run a fast 5k on the track. The women only need a couple 1k or mile reps at5k pace and some speed to get them tuned up for a 5k, but it's hard training for a 10k on grass all season then trying to get the legs going for a 5k.

It has almost nothing to do with this and almost everything to do with it being far easier to recover from a 20-minute race than from a 30-minute race.

It has a lot more to do with what I said. There's a huge difference between training 6k and a 10k all season and then trying to get into 5k shape in 2 weeks.

You act like these athletes can't recover in 2 weeks time. There's athletes that double in the 5k and 10k in track for conference, regionals, and nationals every single year 2 week apart each.

Remember that the men run a 10k at the regionals 7 days before the NCAA's. So they need to train for and recover from 2x10k "efforts". Also it's important to take into account that total "K" raced over the entire xc season. Most run a tune up (8K), pre-nationals or wisco (8K), conference (8k), regionals (10k) and NC's (10)k. 44K over the course of the season. The women at most race 30K. With this 5k they are up to 35. Just a thought to consider. All that being said and Amon Kemboi, 7th NCAA XC ran 13:33 at BU last night as well.

The men definitely race quite a bit more per season but I don't think most men are banged up to the point where they can't come back in 2 weeks are run a decent 5k on a track. Their training just isn't AS geared for that compared to the women coming from 6k. Amon went and ran a great race so there obviously very talented people that can do it.

Another big part is traditionally women are more inclined to do it and there's been more consistency on teams sending top women out to get a qualifier. Yes multiple other teams showed up, but NM's presence the past couple of years has obviously attracted more teams and individuals to do it. There has to be some sort of commitment to get a group together. Don't get me wrong, Amon is talented, but there's plenty of other men who could come back and run sub 13:45 from NCAA's. If people want to wait til Husky and Iowa State, that's their right. I think getting a qualifier in Boston will become much more popular on the men's side in the coming years.

NC Runner- You are not giving Amon full credit it here with the way you write that. On a side note, I imagine you are among the enormous roster of distance runners that struggle at NC State. Many of them actually were not all that great to begin with anyway.

With that being said, 13:33 and dipping under 13:45 are two different levels. A 13:33 5K indoors used to be the type of performance that could be that of a guy that would be a favorite to win the event indoors.

Before UNM started coming, Sarah Disanza and Emily Sisson ran 15:20/21 here one year (and iirc there were 2 other sub 15:30 that year as well). Although of course the last couple years have been much deeper

Idiot Alert wrote:

NC Runner- You are not giving Amon full credit it here with the way you write that. On a side note, I imagine you are among the enormous roster of distance runners that struggle at NC State. Many of them actually were not all that great to begin with anyway.

With that being said, 13:33 and dipping under 13:45 are two different levels. A 13:33 5K indoors used to be the type of performance that could be that of a guy that would be a favorite to win the event indoors.

I am in no way affiliated with NC State. I think they're team is overrated and many do struggle so that's something we can agree on.

I never said nothing bad of Amon. I said that many top guys from NCAA XC could BREAK 13:45, I didn't say they could go out and go 13:33.

Colo women? wrote:

Would have loved to see some of the Colorado women run this.

UNM had its top 4 run 15:14, 15:15, 15:26, and 15:42. Hard to believe this team got handled by the Buffs.

You should be glad Wetmore isn’t over racing his athletes by having them pound away in some meaningless indoor meet on the other side of the country in December. Don’t worry, he will have them ready when it matters.

joedirt wrote:

Colo women? wrote:

Would have loved to see some of the Colorado women run this.

UNM had its top 4 run 15:14, 15:15, 15:26, and 15:42. Hard to believe this team got handled by the Buffs.

You should be glad Wetmore isn’t over racing his athletes by having them pound away in some meaningless indoor meet on the other side of the country in December. Don’t worry, he will have them ready when it matters.

I agree that in the past it would have not made sense to run athletes so soon in a meaningless indoor meet. However last year 7 out of 16 runners who qualified for the 5K at the NCAA meet did at this meet (with 15:46 being the cuttoff). This year you already have 12 runners at this meet this weekend run 15:43 and faster and two more ran 15:53 and 15:58 which means you had 14 runners break 16:00.

So now if you want to qualify for this coming NCAA Indoor 5k you are going to have to nail it come February at either one of the big invitationals or your Conference meet. The problem now is that 12 of those runners more than likely wont be doing a 5k in February and you won't get the added advantage of having a stacked race with fast times pulling you along like you would have in years past. My point is now it is going to be harder to qualify in February for the women's 5k.

I am sure Wetmore doesn't really care about that but there's other schools who could have benefited from running in this meet this past weekend (one in particular) because they will actually be in contention to win team the title and would need some of their runners to make it in the 5k to boost scoring opportunities. This race has now become the Husky or the infamous "Last Chance" races of years past and is going to become the method that schools use to qualify their runners for the women's 5k for years to come mark my words.