lcy hot wrote:
Taking a page out of smooves book of stubborn stupidity trying to go out that fast.
Seems a little uncalled for (aside from being inaccurate).
lcy hot wrote:
Taking a page out of smooves book of stubborn stupidity trying to go out that fast.
Seems a little uncalled for (aside from being inaccurate).
Smoove wrote:
I mean, the entire conversation is different from the one we were having about his marathons 2 years ago.
For sure! What a remarkable journey. And I think it was bold and absolutely the right strategy to go for 2:42 today. Otherwise, he would be wondering "what if." I say this not knowing any details, of course!
too hot 2 wrote:
Effort and pace can be two completely different things. It’s not the same in a training environment versus a racing environment and it is dependent on the amount of time you spend at a given effort level. If you run a 6:59 mile for example and keep it even pace-wise...the speed may be constant but it gets progressively harder to maintain that speed.
sorry, reading back i think this must be in response to my "given effort over a race distance"? I was only trying to not use pace in my language, but my intent wasn't for the effort to be the same over the whole distance. See comment above about given effort for each part of the race as it progresses. Obviously pace gets harder the longer you try to maintain it.
I didn't make my comment to cause an argument or to prove something one way or another. I just think sometimes running at pace is beneficial and other times running by feel is more beneficial.
During a base phase running by feel is more beneficial in my opinion for the workouts. Going by feel provides a window of time to hit for a distance, at easy, moderate, comfortably hard, or hard, and that includes strides as well. Why the heck would the actual time matter if a workout was designed to be comfortably hard? Doing it this way chances are someone would be faster or slower than ideal pace every workout for a ton of different reasons. There won't be as much stress though when a workout does not end up perfect. Most times if honest about the effort it should work out to be ideal for what a runner has any given day.
During specific phases or tuning up for races I'd have to say going by pace would be better. After the base phase, you should have a good idea of what you can run for a specific race goal. Running by pace can really lock in that goal pace. Running by pace is also safer when in the taper and peak phases. Keeps people from going too fast or not fast enough when they are feeling it.
This could all just be a bunch of bull though too but it is the way I like to think of it.
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Pretzel Man wrote:
Is this some kind of sarcasm ??
No...that wasn't my intent. It also is not my opinion on the subject. That was my attempt to provide RRR an example of why "running by feel" doesn't mean you have to "know what a specific pace feels like." My understanding of too hot's approach is that you have no predetermined expectation for what race pace will be. You only know what racing should feel like at mile 1, mile 2, mile 3, etc.
I suppose I could have kept my mouth shut and let too hot answer, but since he took counterpoints with other things I said and let this stand under the umbrella of "good discussion" I believe he agrees?
Gotcha, didn't wanna be pondering this tomorrow morning when the plan is for the first 3 to be 7:30 pace and then drop down to 7's for the next 10.
But then again "we just don't know what tomorrow brings"
Smoove wrote:
lcy hot wrote:
Taking a page out of smooves book of stubborn stupidity trying to go out that fast.
Seems a little uncalled for (aside from being inaccurate).
No, I'm not going to sugercoat it for you because one race.
Keep stealing my username, I will continue to post and will not be forced out by trolls on here
+1
Big PR for OR. Hope he is happy - he should be. Big jumps from age 47 to 49.
Well done OR. Way to hang on. Congrats on the big fat PR.
Way to leave it out there, OR!
Looking forward to the Boston AG podium attempt!!!
Certainly not conventional, but love following your training.
What was his final time? I'm just following along on here.
Finish in 2:45:32. Pace 6:19. Powered by Xact..
Allen1959 wrote:
Finish in 2:45:32. Pace 6:19. Powered by Xact..
Wow. Congratulations OR!!
Thanks Allen. I was also following along here and was trying to deduce his time from Smoove's post (guess was 2:46) :)
WTG OR!!!
That's a 4min PR right? Big props.
Forecast was for the wind to pick up later in the race, where I think it would be a headwind. Might have been a factor. Looking forward to his race report. Really a great run! Massive OR at age 49! M50-55 at Boston!
*massive PR
Just got home from work on the other side of the planet! Way to kick A$$, OR!
I wasn't sure if that was actually you since you have generally attempted to be congenial to others, so I responded. Now that I have, I will take it one step further and say this as well: I give my word that I am not the one registering your username. I think that doing that is inappropriate. I also give my word that I can only recall posting on this thread under a name other than Smoove once in recent memory - the joke about Stormy Daniels a while back, which I can guaranty was the last time I posted under a name other than Smoove.
As to the rest, I will let my performances, and how those performances stack up to my own and others estimations, speak for themselves so that we can keep the focus on a great, great day for OR.
A PR by 3+ minutes at age 49! 1:21/1:24 splits may not be ideal, but are also not at all bad when going for a stretch goal. Not giving up when he must have been deep in a world of hurt. Having the courage to test his limits. I don't love his approach to training, but I ABSOLUTELY LOVE his toughness.
Inspired running. Atta boy, OR.
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