Vaporfly on the track! Would it still benefit? Discuss!

On the track spikes is always faster than a cushined shoe, and the vaporfly is extremely cushioned. Most likely the vaporfly on the track would be even slower than any average racing flats

If they were faster on the track, Nike athletes would be wearing them in the 5,000m and 10,000m.

Highschool wrote:

If they were faster on the track, Nike athletes would be wearing them in the 5,000m and 10,000m.

IKnowRight? wrote:

Highschool wrote:

If they were faster on the track, Nike athletes would be wearing them in the 5,000m and 10,000m.

https://youtu.be/NDcWqz8f7pM

Jorgensen wore them because she has problems with her achilles tendons, not because they´re the ultimate track shoes.

but,, butt, if these shoes are cheating why don't they give a cheating benefit on the track.. makes you think.

that plate is a gimmick

Gffhnn wrote:

that plate is a gimmick

science says it isnt a gimmick wrote:

Gffhnn wrote:

that plate is a gimmick

https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a20863643/nikes-vaporfly-4-shoes-really-did-boost-the-running-economy-of-everyone-tested-says-study/

I am a stupid American who believes that every article that is published and claims to be a research is pure genuine science.

The plate is a gimmick.

"The new Nike foam also tested best for energy return. It returned 87 percent of the stored energy, compared to 75.9 percent for the Adidas model and 65.5 percent for the other Nike shoe. The researchers believe that the combination of great cushioning and energy-return explains 80 percent of the Vaporfly’s advantage."

The original research paper was published in the number 2 ranked sports medicine peer-reviewed journal. That alone makes it better evidence and science than 99% of what's backing other held beliefs in running. If you can point out a flaw in the study design, i'm all ears. I suspect you'll point to the study funding if you bother to even do that much research.

That being said they found the majority of the shoes improvements to be from the ZoomX foam. There is some residual unexplained performance improvements that could be attributed to the plate.

Dril wrote:

"The new Nike foam also tested best for energy return. It returned 87 percent of the stored energy, compared to 75.9 percent for the Adidas model and 65.5 percent for the other Nike shoe. The researchers believe that the combination of great cushioning and energy-return explains 80 percent of the Vaporfly’s advantage."

The original research paper was published in the number 2 ranked sports medicine peer-reviewed journal. That alone makes it better evidence and science than 99% of what's backing other held beliefs in running. If you can point out a flaw in the study design, i'm all ears. I suspect you'll point to the study funding if you bother to even do that much research.

That being said they found the majority of the shoes improvements to be from the ZoomX foam. There is some residual unexplained performance improvements that could be attributed to the plate.

Research and science my as&.

I guarantee you, if you take the vaporfly 4 or elite or whatever they call those shoes, you get the same time as with other shoes (maybe even worse). Even the elites don’t improve their times using these pillows for shoes. Kipchoge runs the same times more or less with these vaporfly as he did with previous models, so stop falling for all these marketing bullshi& tricks.

2:00:25 isn't the same as anything else he's run.

Are you dumb???

That breaking2 was lab conditions- optimal weather, optimal pacers all the blocking the wind, etc...

So far his fastest genuine time is not with the vaporfly. Same goes for many more elites who use these shoes- no significant change with those shoes

HFffhhf wrote:

I guarantee you, if you take the vaporfly 4 or elite or whatever they call those shoes, you get the same time as with other shoes (maybe even worse). Even the elites don’t improve their times using these pillows for shoes. Kipchoge runs the same times more or less with these vaporfly as he did with previous models, so stop falling for all these marketing bullshi& tricks.

Wow. This sounds like great science.