hey subway
when i do my analysis to come up with 4%, it comes from a number of ways
taking times i believe to be as clean as can be, then the medical research that claims 4-10% improvement.
then i go and look at an athletes progression and if there is a ~30 second drop in 5k in one year there you go
all the arguing and insults i get and yet i stay consistent....why? because the DROPS are always consistent
4% drop isnt that big in an 800m, but its HUGE in a marathon
3-4 seconds in an 800
rudisha......went from 1:43-44 to WR.....pretty spot on of 4% gain, which i would say in an 800 is harder to get since its not solely dependent on aerobic potential
2010 1:41.01 Rieti (ITA) 29 AUG 2010
2009 1:42.01 Rieti (ITA) 06 SEP 2009
2008 1:43.72 Oslo (NOR) 06 JUN 2008
2007 1:44.15 Bruxelles (BEL) 14 SEP 2007
8-9 seconds in a 1500m
ramzi (i know i know he cant be used)
2014 3:40.95 Incheon (KOR) 29 SEP 2014
2013 3:51.63 Pune (IND) 04 JUL 2013
2007 3:35.00 Osaka (JPN) 29 AUG 2007
2006 3:29.14 Roma (ITA) 14 JUL 2006
2005 3:30.00 Roma (ITA) 08 JUL 2005
2004 3:30.25 Roma (ITA) 02 JUL 2004
2003 3:39.30 Rabat (MAR) 31 MAY 2003
oh and that 3-4 in an 800? oh ramzi did that too
2006 1:44.05 Madrid (ESP) 17 JUL 2006
2005 1:44.24 Helsinki (FIN) 14 AUG 2005
2003 1:47.56 Amman (JOR) 07 SEP 2003
what about Mo then?
2013 3:28.81 Monaco (MON) 19 JUL 2013
2012 3:34.66 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 18 MAY 2012
2009 3:33.98 Monaco (MON) 28 JUL 2009
2008 3:39.66 Birmingham (GBR) 13 JUL 2008
2007 3:46.50 Birmingham (GBR) 07 JUL 2007
2006 3:38.02 Rieti (ITA) 27 AUG 2006
monaco to monaco is a 5 second improvement, but before that his PR from his "prime" was his 3:38.02
17-18 seconds in a 3000m
how about ruppy poop
2010 7:43.24 London (GBR) 13 AUG 2010
2008 7:51.17 Carson (USA) 18 MAY 2008
2007 8:01.90 Rieti (ITA) 09 SEP 2007
2006 8:14.20 Eugene, OR (USA) 18 MAR 2006
2005 7:49.16 Lignano (ITA) 17 JUL 2005
2004 8:03.67 Richmond (CAN) 23 JUN 2004
on the sauce then off then back on?
30-31 seconds in a 5000m
lets use demi god daniel komen
2003 13:28.56 Lille (FRA) 15 JUN 2003
2001 13:01.98 Athina (GRE) 11 JUN 2001
2000 13:01.78 Bruxelles (BEL) 25 AUG 2000
1999 12:55.16 Roma (ITA) 07 JUL 1999
1998 12:54.82 Bruxelles (BEL) 28 AUG 1998
1997 12:39.74 Bruxelles (BEL) 22 AUG 1997
1996 12:45.09 Zürich (SUI) 14 AUG 1996
1995 12:56.15 Roma (ITA) 08 JUN 1995
1994 13:31.10 Algiers (ALG) 08 JUL 1994
94-95....nothing to see there, then pushed it HARD with no fear of death or consequences
no? dont see it? lets try Geb
1998 12:39.36 Helsinki (FIN) 13 JUN 1998
1997 12:41.86 Zürich (SUI) 13 AUG 1997
1996 12:52.70 Zürich (SUI) 14 AUG 1996
1995 12:44.39 Zürich (SUI) 16 AUG 1995
1994 12:56.96 Hengelo (NED) 04 JUN 1994
1993 13:03.17 Stuttgart (GER) 16 AUG 1993
1992 13:36.06 Seoul (KOR) 19 SEP 1992
looks like geb got the goods 2 years before komen
lets try paul tergat
1997 12:49.87 Zürich (SUI) 13 AUG 1997
1996 12:54.72 Zürich (SUI) 14 AUG 1996
1995 13:07.49 Zürich (SUI) 16 AUG 1995
1994 13:15.07 Berlin (GER) 30 AUG 1994
1993 13:20.16 Rieti (ITA) 05 SEP 1993
looks like tergat got on the sauce same time as komen, 94
no still cant see, lets take a look at KB
2004 12:37.35 Hengelo (NED) 31 MAY 2004
2003 12:52.26 Oslo (NOR) 27 JUN 2003
2002 13:26.58 Milano (ITA) 05 JUN 2002
2001 13:13.33 Sevilla (ESP) 08 JUN 2001
2000 13:20.57 Rieti (ITA) 03 SEP 2000
looks like KB was about 10-16 seconds better naturally than komen and geb, but KB fiance dies on jan 2005 most likely due to EPO, and he cuts back, as well as the 2006 better testing.
hmm why not one more person with that good ol positive A and negative B...lagat
800
1998 1:46.02 Paris (FRA) 29 JUL 1998
1997 1:49.46 Eugene, OR (USA) 19 APR 1997
1500
2001 3:26.34 Bruxelles (BEL) 24 AUG 2001
2000 3:28.51 Zürich (SUI) 11 AUG 2000
1999 3:30.56 Zürich (SUI) 11 AUG 1999
1998 3:34.48 Stuttgart (GER) 19 JUL 1998
1997 3:41.19 Palo Alto (USA) 09 MAY 1997
remember a one adam goucher used to battle with him
3000
2000 7:33.51 Monaco (MON) 18 AUG 2000
1999 8:37.08 Pullman, WA (USA) 03 APR 1999
1998 7:45.28 Barcelona (ESP) 25 JUL 1998
5000
2005 12:59.29 Berlin (GER) 04 SEP 2005
2002 13:19.14 Walnut (USA) 19 APR 2002
2001 13:30.54 Walnut (USA) 20 APR 2001
2000 13:23.46 Walnut (USA) 14 APR 2000
1999 13:36.12 Modesto, CA (USA) 07 MAY 1999
1998 13:42.73 Walnut (USA) 19 APR 1998
1997 13:50.33 Seattle, WA (USA) 25 MAY 1997
no where is there showing he is ready to pop a sub 13, nope natural he was right there with KB, geb and komen when they were natural
ok ok lets look at some white dudes
kennedy
1996 12:58.21 Zürich (SUI) 14 AUG 1996
1995 13:03.37 Zürich (SUI) 16 AUG 1995
1994 13:02.93 Oslo (NOR) 22 JUL 1994
1993 13:14.91 Oslo (NOR) 10 JUL 1993
1992 13:28.18 London (GBR) 10 JUL 1992
1991 13:22.17 Oslo (NOR) 06 JUL 1991
kennedy again was right there with the others naturally of geb, komen, kb and lagat. the difference was those guys were 3:35 or so 1500 guys where kennedy was 3:38 at best even in the proposed year he started saucing (92-93)
check his 3000m
1998 7:30.84 Monaco (MON) 08 AUG 1998
1997 7:31.77 Oslo (NOR) 04 JUL 1997
1996 7:31.69 Bruxelles (BEL) 23 AUG 1996
1995 7:36.15 Monaco (MON) 25 JUL 1995
1994 7:35.33 Nice (FRA) 18 JUL 1994
1993 7:38.45 Köln (GER) 01 AUG 1993
1991 7:48.02 Neubrandenburg (GER) 21 JUN 1991
1990 7:58.92 Västerås (SWE) 29 JUN 1990
ok ruppy poop
2014 3:34.15 Bruxelles (BEL) 05 SEP 2014
2013 3:36.69 London (GBR) 27 JUL 2013
2012 3:34.75 Los Angeles, CA (USA) 18 MAY 2012
2009 3:39.14 Eugene, OR (USA) 30 MAY 2009
2008 3:43.33 Burnaby (CAN) 21 JUN 2008
2005 3:44.39 Cuxhaven (GER) 09 JUL 2005
2004 3:46.68 Lappeenranta (FIN) 25 JUL 2004
2003 3:53.57 Amherst (USA) 06 JUL 2003
2008 he was maxed out and 5 seconds slower than kennedy then booom....
2010 7:43.24 London (GBR) 13 AUG 2010
2008 7:51.17 Carson (USA) 18 MAY 2008
2007 8:01.90 Rieti (ITA) 09 SEP 2007
2006 8:14.20 Eugene, OR (USA) 18 MAR 2006
2005 7:49.16 Lignano (ITA) 17 JUL 2005
2004 8:03.67 Richmond (CAN) 23 JUN 2004
so a guy who was slower than kennedy at 1500 till magic, but then still has a slower 3000 than kennedy....
2012 12:58.90 Eugene, OR (USA) 02 JUN 2012
2011 13:06.86 Birmingham (GBR) 10 JUL 2011
2010 13:07.35 Zürich (SUI) 19 AUG 2010
2009 13:46.41 Eugene, OR (USA) 29 MAY 2009
2008 13:59.14 Eugene, OR (USA) 27 JUN 2008
2007 13:30.49 Eugene, OR (USA) 20 APR 2007
2006 13:47.04 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 22 JUL 2006
2005 13:44.72 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 23 JUL 2005
2004 13:37.91 Heusden-Zolder (BEL) 31 JUL 2004
and just like lagat....not showing anything that says sub 13, then boom
now the 10k is 60-65 seconds
there is ruppy poop
2011 26:48.00 Bruxelles (BEL) 16 SEP 2011
2010 27:10.74 Palo Alto (USA) 01 MAY 2010
2009 27:37.99 Berlin (GER) 17 AUG 2009
2008 27:36.99 Beijing (CHN) 17 AUG 2008
2007 27:33.48 Palo Alto (USA) 29 APR 2007
geb
1995 26:43.53 Hengelo (NED) 05 JUN 1995
1994 27:15.00 Lausanne (SUI) 06 JUL 1994
1993 27:30.17 Durban (RSA) 24 JUN 1993
1992 28:03.99 Seoul (KOR) 18 SEP 1992
tergat
1997 26:27.85 Bruxelles (BEL) 22 AUG 1997
1996 26:54.41 Bruxelles (BEL) 23 AUG 1996
1995 27:14.08 Bruxelles (BEL) 25 AUG 1995
1994 27:23.89 Bruxelles (BEL) 19 AUG 1994
1993 27:18.43 Bruxelles (BEL) 03 SEP 1993
Mo
2011 26:46.57 Eugene, OR (USA) 03 JUN 2011
2010 27:28.86 Marseille (FRA) 05 JUN 2010
2008 27:44.54 Palo Alto (USA) 04 MAY 2008
for all those saying europes slow times during the EPO era means either
a) EPO doesnt work
b) or why wasnt the euros taking
as your excuse to say kenyans dont use or it doesn work on them....its NOT hard to go to the iaaf progression page for the top runners and see if they show the DROP in time of approx 4%
they were using, they just sucked so much worse than their peers of the past.....when the best you are producing is 3:43 in the 1500, EPO can only get them 8-9 seconds, which is a 3:34-35....how is this so hard to grasp? when the best from kenya is already running 3:33-35, and you get them on the sauce and they can get a 4% improvement what does that give you? wow this is hard to figure out isnt it? a 3:35 and a 4% gain is.....booom you did the math right...3:26
kiprop
2015 3:26.69 Monaco (MON) 17 JUL 2015
2014 3:28.45 Monaco (MON) 18 JUL 2014
2013 3:27.72 Monaco (MON) 19 JUL 2013
2012 3:28.88 Monaco (MON) 20 JUL 2012
2011 3:30.46 Rieti (ITA) 10 SEP 2011
2010 3:31.78 Rieti (ITA) 29 AUG 2010
2009 3:31.20 Roma (ITA) 10 JUL 2009
2008 3:31.64 Roma (ITA) 11 JUL 2008
2007 3:35.24 Osaka (JPN) 29 AUG 2007
and dont give me sh*t he was a noob scrub in 2007
cause
2008 1:44.71 Lausanne (SUI) 02 SEP 2008 (age "19")
2007 3:35.24 Osaka (JPN) 29 AUG 2007 (age "18")
2007 7:42.32 Torino (ITA) 08 JUN 2007(age "18")
in 2007 he was "18" i say that cause of the blatant age cheating.
now lets compare el g, coe, and jim ryun at 18
ryun
800m 1:44.9h Terre Haute, IN (USA) 10 JUN 1966, age 19
1500m 3:33.1h Los Angeles, CA (USA) 08 JUL 1967, age 20
mile 3:51.10h (equivalent to a 3:34.04 1500m, also according to conversions its a 3K = 7:42.2) at age 19
coe
800m 1977 1:44.95 London (GBR) 09 SEP 1977, age 21
mile 1976 3:58.35 London (GBR) 30 AUG 1976, age 20
1500m 1980 3:32.19 Zürich (SUI) 13 AUG 1980, age 24
el G
800m 1995 1:47.18 Torino (ITA) 02 JUN 1995, age 21
1500m 1994 3:33.61 Nice (FRA) 18 JUL 1994, age 20
mile 1994 3:53.71 Oslo (NOR) 22 JUL 199, age 20
3000m 1994 7:49.84 Meknés (MAR) 19 MAR 1994, age 20
nope nothing to see here