Rojo crosses the line on Hasay thread

the world is full of huge f*cking pu$$ies. Apologize for nothing Rojo. Hasay should be the one apologizing for leading everyone on. Except not, because who cares.

Comes days after they allowed anonymous coaches to bash the nop runners. Real men put their name on their words. Stop enabling. Weak journalism.

Shameful day on these boards wrote:

Rojo’s glee and bashing of Hasay is despicable. He no longer has credibility as a journalist. And he can no longer say he doesn’t have an extreme bias against Nike and NOP.

Anyone who feels pride and joy in one of our top athletes (and good role model) coming down with serious injury is just a lousy human being.

"No longer"? Must be nice to have such in inheritance / trust fund you never have to worry about getting any kind of public job again. Q: did Rojo "change" or was he holding it in at Cornell?

Shameful day on these boards wrote: Rojo’s glee and bashing of Hasay is despicable. He no longer has credibility as a journalist.

Just to be clear, neither of the Brojos is a journalist. The elementary level of writing that they, themselves, post on this site is proof enough that written communication is not their strength. If by some stretch of the imagination they DO possess degrees in journalism or communications, their alma mater should be ashamed to have ever graduated students so ill-prepared for the field.

They run a web site, period. Anyone who visits the site expecting a professional level of reporting and commentary is profoundly misguided.

The 'Lets All Run as Princesses and Princes' Website.

This is why most of you will never be anything but joggers. No ruth.

You need to be ruthless. When you are ruthless you back yourself against the wall.

Get some ruth.

And as an aside, no one likes a quitter. Even if its a good reason.

Few points:

Journalism and opinions are not mutually exclusive. Objectivity is often a hypocritically myth anyway. I have no issues with brojos expressing their opinions in conjunction with their reporting. Running isn't a big enough media market to have reporters who are supposedly objective alongside commentators.

NOP and Jordan were flat out lying to the press, and they don't deserve the benefit the doubt.

The conditions were no joke. I saw elites who were shivering uncontrollably under multiple blankets in a med tent. Continuing had nothing to do with toughness for those people. They were obviously hypothermic.

*hypocritical (on phone)

Shameful day on these boards wrote:

Rojo’s glee and bashing of Hasay is despicable. He no longer has credibility as a journalist. And he can no longer say he doesn’t have an extreme bias against Nike and NOP.

Anyone who feels pride and joy in one of our top athletes (and good role model) coming down with serious injury is just a lousy human being.

She ISN'T injured. She basically called in sick to work on the premise that were she to go in she would end up sick.

With that lack of toughness combined with today's conditions, it's no surprise she didn't start. I just wish she was a little more honest about it, instead of complaining about an injury that hasn't yet occurred.

Runners have turned into p#ssies, and Hasay is a shining example. No go sign up for your next color run.

1) She's been injured for a month. She backed off training enough to let it heal up just enough that she could ease through the last couple weeks of training before tapering. 2) She never once said anything untruthful about the injury THAT ALREADY OCCURRED, and she would have raced, if not for the pressure from her coach & doc. 3) Hmm, a month ago she wasn't able to walk, was smart to take time off and actively rehabbed it, then nails two more workouts and goes to boston fully planning on winning her first major. Yeah, sounds like a shining example. Don't you have some vinegar to put somewhere?

Gimme a break. wrote:

She ISN'T injured...

... I just wish she was a little more honest about it, instead of complaining about an injury that hasn't yet occurred.

Runners have turned into p#ssies, and Hasay is a shining example...

Shameful day on these boards wrote:

Rojo’s glee and bashing of Hasay is despicable. He no longer has credibility as a journalist. And he can no longer say he doesn’t have an extreme bias against Nike and NOP.

Anyone who feels pride and joy in one of our top athletes (and good role model) coming down with serious injury is just a lousy human being.

Thank you for making this thread. I had somehow missed the Jordan thread.

And thank you rojo for that Jordan/Jordan pic. That's hilarious!

Seriously, anyone pulling out of a race the day before after saying at the press conference that everything's fine you should be cold-blooded enough to be able to take a little trash talk. I bet Hasay actually finds it funny as well.

RunningDerp wrote:

While I love a good old pitchfork gathering as anyone else, I honestly don’t see why people think it is the end of the world that Rojo posted a meme of Jordan Hasay with Michae Jordan’s head, and used the line “not Hasay certified.”

Good grief! People are so uptight

Or am I missing something here?

I think there's a degree of sexism actually within the reaction, where OP and others assume Hasay can't handle the insults because she's some little girl or something. She's heard it all, she doesn't need some random guy advocating for her on a message board.

Athletes are generally mentally tough. You wouldn't defend Eli Manning or LeBron, or even Rupp, but why do you defend and get so mad about someone calling her out? And don't get me wrong, I'm incredibly disappointed she didn't run and I'm an NOP and Rupp fan (and I guess Hasay, although nowhere near the extent that some people are here).

As far as the Brojos' journalism ability or whatever, I think most running community members involved in this understand at this point that they have some sort of agenda (not saying a bad or good one, but they have one). No one expects them to be neutral, just to be fair, and I think they do a decent job of that.

Okay, okay. Won't dispute that she's tough and wanted to run, but she told the press all was well when she knew it wasn't, so I think it's fair for journalists to give her a little crap about it. Hope she's back and crushes Berlin this fall.

I guess in the scheme of things, when it comes down to brass tacks, we probably expect more polish, finesse and tact from ivy leaguers. Don't give me that they are human too. Anyone with capital to start with and a goal can have a website, but with the ivy league behind the site, I guess it's acceptable to expect better than the norm, more refined than the norm, and more evidence-based than the norm. If they are not, in fact, journalists, then they should not encapsulate their articles in a similar style to a syndicated publication. Since they tout themselves like professional journalists who have bought their own hype, it is also reasonable to regard them with that standard. If they are collecting money from sponsors or advertisers who help them in this site, then all people have the right to expect more than slander, racism, sexism, bashing, belittling, bullying, and swearing. They also have the right to expect better moderation of the inappropriate posts. Any other way is simply mercenary and unethical.

J-school Guy wrote:

Shameful day on these boards wrote: Rojo’s glee and bashing of Hasay is despicable. He no longer has credibility as a journalist.

Just to be clear, neither of the Brojos is a journalist. The elementary level of writing that they, themselves, post on this site is proof enough that written communication is not their strength. If by some stretch of the imagination they DO possess degrees in journalism or communications, their alma mater should be ashamed to have ever graduated students so ill-prepared for the field.

They run a web site, period. Anyone who visits the site expecting a professional level of reporting and commentary is profoundly misguided.

People like thankstrump need to graduate from 4th grade before posting on these boards. The brojos probably went to the same elementary school.

Gwalkerruns wrote:

Comes days after they allowed anonymous coaches to bash the nop runners. Real men put their name on their words. Stop enabling. Weak journalism.

Meanwhile the rest of the World is irate with the lack of anonymity offered by facebook.

not my real name wrote:

2) She never once said anything untruthful about the injury THAT ALREADY OCCURRED, and she would have raced, if not for the pressure from her coach & doc..

So when her agent said "It is more precautionary with Boston so close. We expect her to be fine for Boston" Was he the one lying?

TU QUOQUE

Pointing out that someone else has done something vaguely similar to what you've done isn't the best defense of your own conduct.

Would those same reporters and producers then express surprise if the athletes they mock elect to not grant interviews to TNT anymore? I think the Brojos might if Hasay or the NOP rebuff them in the future.

STRAW MAN

No one said this that I can see. A few people are calling for an apology or saying the site sucks.

APPEAL TO POPULARITY

Letsrun is widely known for the lowbrow nonsense posted by its members and admins, to put it very mildly.

SHIFTING THE GOALPOSTS

The ire was directed at the meme and the overall way in which the withdrawal was questioned.

FALSE DICHOTOMY

One can question the ethics of the NOP and at the same time say that Rojo reacted inappropriately.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders lies quite flagrantly almost every day to the American public, a much more grievous offense than someone withdrawing from a race for questionable reasons. Does that make it OK to refer to her as a hick, a pig, or any of the other things coming her way?

All of that said, the people who claim that Rojo has crossed a previously uncrossed line are guilty of a CATEGORY ERROR. This is absolutely nothing new here. It's been the way of things at Letsrun since its inception.

I like your descriptions of the fallacies and rhetorical maneuvers here.....

But.....

The problem is that their main maneuver demonized Jordan Hasay.

I am not going to say Hasay is perfect since nobody is or that the handling of the injury information was perfect..

However...

Jordan Hasay herself has never done anything for anyone to try to cast anything involving Hasay herself negatively. Sure, a lot of skepticism surrounds the NOP and some likely has merit. Yet, Ms. Hasay has never been anything but hard-working, talented and loyal.

In layman's terms, there is no reason why one should cast any negative light on Hasay unless their key objective was to bully.

Hasay has been a threat to nobody.

Rojo has monitors that have access to delete threads. It makes it extremely bias. 100% true!!!