What is the LRC record for consecutive Doubles?

Has anyone ever done triples? Quadruples?

LoneStarXC wrote:

Has anyone ever done triples? Quadruples?

i did a triple once

5 and calisthenics

3 medium'

6 hard

I was dumb and thought if I just puke my guts out before and after practice i would be the next track star

Coming up on a month now. Starting to feel less and less like wanting to curl up in a ball and die.

Following.

What is the point?

I do triples all the time. Like yesterday.

4mile to work

6miles medium finish hard at lunch

4miles home (with a stop at the pub)

theJack wrote:

What is the point?

Just experimenting :-)

Yesterday was a month. Feeling stronger; not getting run down (yet).

Inteoduced speed word the last 2 weeks. Hitting 65ish mpw.

theJack wrote:

What is the point?

Yeah, I think the "run streak" stuff that happens just for the sake of having a streak can be dangerous. I don't run more than six days a week even if I run more than six times per week. To each his own, but I've seemed to benefit from both an injury prevention and burnout prevention standpoint by giving myself a day off.

Agreed wrote:

theJack wrote:

What is the point?

Yeah, I think the "run streak" stuff that happens just for the sake of having a streak can be dangerous. I don't run more than six days a week even if I run more than six times per week. To each his own, but I've seemed to benefit from both an injury prevention and burnout prevention standpoint by giving myself a day off.

I agree.

Right now, my fitness seems to be improving and I am losing weight, so I will be keeping at it.

Supposed to have an off day next week... I may have to do an easy double, tho ;-)

you're doing 7 doubles and only running 65 mpw? so your average run length is only 4.6 miles? And if you're still doing a long run then your weekly runs are likely only 4 miles each with your second runs being 3mi?

this is not at all a good way to train at 65 mpw because your runs are not long enough to get enough stimulus. if you simplify the process of aerobic training, you basically get more benefits as you get longer into the run. so you don't benefit much in the first 20-30min, then you start to benefit more after 90min. by doing 2 short runs, you're reducing the amount of time spent running after the 20-30min "warmup" and benefiting less than you would from single runs.

why not just maintain a daily run streak and not a double streak?

Ron Hill, 10 or 20 years

reed wrote:

you're doing 7 doubles and only running 65 mpw? so your average run length is only 4.6 miles? And if you're still doing a long run then your weekly runs are likely only 4 miles each with your second runs being 3mi?

this is not at all a good way to train at 65 mpw because your runs are not long enough to get enough stimulus. if you simplify the process of aerobic training, you basically get more benefits as you get longer into the run. so you don't benefit much in the first 20-30min, then you start to benefit more after 90min. by doing 2 short runs, you're reducing the amount of time spent running after the 20-30min "warmup" and benefiting less than you would from single runs.

why not just maintain a daily run streak and not a double streak?

This. 65 mpw on 14 runs is not optimized training, it’s training to say you have a doubles streak.

reed wrote:

you're doing 7 doubles and only running 65 mpw? so your average run length is only 4.6 miles? And if you're still doing a long run then your weekly runs are likely only 4 miles each with your second runs being 3mi?

this is not at all a good way to train at 65 mpw because your runs are not long enough to get enough stimulus. if you simplify the process of aerobic training, you basically get more benefits as you get longer into the run. so you don't benefit much in the first 20-30min, then you start to benefit more after 90min. by doing 2 short runs, you're reducing the amount of time spent running after the 20-30min "warmup" and benefiting less than you would from single runs.

why not just maintain a daily run streak and not a double streak?

Fwiw, my afternoon/evening run is usually closer to 2 miles.

From Lydiard:

It is also wise to jog easily every morning for at least [15] minutes or longer. The longer the better.

It is wise to train twice a day, everyday, even while doing this training and track training and racing, even if it is only for 15 minutes each morning.

So, while the whole thing is an experiment, I am basing it on the rec of one of the best coaches of all time (who learned a lot of what he did BY experimenting). Just curious, when you say I would benefit more from doing the same mileage in Singles, is that your opinion? Or is that based in physiology? (That isn't meant to sound snarky; I genuinely want to know what your thoughts are based on!)

No argument on the second part.

Would be interested to know why/if the first part is true.

Oh, I thought this was a drinking thread...

I agree with others that you shouldn't be doing doubles 7 days a week if you are running 65 mpw. That's around when most (myself included) start thinking about introducing a double or two, not a daily thing. At 75 mpw I was doing 3 doubles. All things being equal, you always benefit more from singles, and doubles are used when the singles start becoming too long for the mileage you are aiming for, not because it is simply a better way to train.

The Lydiard quote (from what I remember) is abut supplemental running - i.e. on top of your regular training. He didn't want people out there doing 15 min runs as one run of a double. He was making the point that a little easy jogging (that he wouldn't even count as mileage) on top of the 2 main runs was also beneficial. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I remember it.

I am not qualified to explain the physiology, but basically you only get certain benefits after running for some period of time, something like 20-30min. maybe less, maybe more.

So yes, I'm saying that you'd get fitter doing 10 miles once a day than by doing 5 miles twice a day, even if you feel "better" in the shorter runs.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't do those 15min jogs, but that time would be better spent added onto your first run, even if it's just a jog.

For some doubles of a shorter length just work better because it's the only way for them to get in the habit and maintain decent mileage.

I used to do singles of moderate amount and immediately became better by doing doubles even though I was barely running more volume initially. I certainly wasn't getting much of the benefits available past the first 20-30 minutes.

The answer to that is likely because you end up being a bit pre-fatigued for all runs and therefore hit that beneficial zone earlier.

Double down wrote:

I used to do singles of moderate amount and immediately became better by doing doubles even though I was barely running more volume initially. I certainly wasn't getting much of the benefits available past the first 20-30 minutes.

Interesting that you mention this - a friend of mine who used to be low-14s stopped for a year or so and when he initiated training again, he simply did 3-4 miles 2x daily, every day, to start, before resuming normal training. He said it's a great way to initially get back in shape very quickly if you've lost your base.