If the Cleveland Browns are a business then shouldn't they close shop

They ARE a business and they're making money, so no, they shouldn't.

They need to do a better job of drafting and getting good players to come to Cleveland. The Cavaliers proved this could be done. It's not impossible. In addition I think the NFL will expand within a few years, that will give the Browns a few more opportunities to win.

Paul Brown wrote:

They ARE a business and they're making money, so no, they shouldn't.

They have nearly DOUBLED their income over the last 5 years. That extra money will help the owner pay off all those hard working truck drivers he tried to cheat out of their discounts. Most owners who want to make the most money never win and the owners who win dont make that much money except the value of their team increasing. Browns will never win with an owner that only cares about making money.

Dishonest cheat....... wrote:

Paul Brown wrote:

They ARE a business and they're making money, so no, they shouldn't.

They have nearly DOUBLED their income over the last 5 years. That extra money will help the owner pay off all those hard working truck drivers he tried to cheat out of their discounts. Most owners who want to make the most money never win and the owners who win dont make that much money except the value of their team increasing. Browns will never win with an owner that only cares about making money.

The Browns themselves would be OUT of business if it weren't for league wide TV revenue sharing....

Paul Brown wrote:

They ARE a business and they're making money, so no, they shouldn't.

LOL

Perfect

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

Dishonest cheat....... wrote:

They have nearly DOUBLED their income over the last 5 years. That extra money will help the owner pay off all those hard working truck drivers he tried to cheat out of their discounts. Most owners who want to make the most money never win and the owners who win dont make that much money except the value of their team increasing. Browns will never win with an owner that only cares about making money.

The Browns themselves would be OUT of business if it weren't for league wide TV revenue sharing....

Correct. The NFL is just there to take your money. I don’t watch it for this and many other reasons.

The class of Cleveland wrote:

The stadium is empty, and the product, the team is horrible. So like any business,after two years, it's time to shut it down.

This is where you're wrong its empty but the seats are paid for.

Minus concession sales and merch getting people to pay and not show up sounds like they are doing just fine.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

Dishonest cheat....... wrote:

They have nearly DOUBLED their income over the last 5 years. That extra money will help the owner pay off all those hard working truck drivers he tried to cheat out of their discounts. Most owners who want to make the most money never win and the owners who win dont make that much money except the value of their team increasing. Browns will never win with an owner that only cares about making money.

The Browns themselves would be OUT of business if it weren't for league wide TV revenue sharing....

And if Kennedy hadn't been shot in Dallas he'd have been the Democratic presidential nominee in 1964. However they're doing it, the Browns are making money.

The majority of highly profitable businesses produce an awful product.

There is zero incentive for the front office to actually care about putting a winning team on the field.

Let's see:

1. The league gets ridiculous revenue from the selling of TV rights. This is distributed out to the 32 (I think) teams.

2. Stadium naming rights revenue

3. Taxpayer funded stadium and tax breaks from the city.

4. All revenue from stadium concessions, probably parking (the city of Cleveland might control the parking) and in stadium advertising

5. If I'm not mistaken, the league also splits all revenue from merchandise sales evenly, as well.

6. The fans have shown, whether the team is good or not, they will still buy the season tix and the individual game tix.

They need to bring back RG3 ("He's the man" according to Larry Michaels)

Not sure why they cut him. Isn't this about par for course for Cleveland?

The Cleveland Browns just cut 26-year-old safety Jermaine Whitehead -- after the guy threatened to shoot, kill and fight several fans on social media after the Browns lost on Sunday.

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The Washington Generals have only 3 victories in over 50 years.

Should they close shop?

Star wrote:

The Washington Generals have only 3 victories in over 50 years.

Should they close shop?

They really probably should, but that guy that gets his pants pulled down is so funny he just keeps packing the stands!

"Live and let live" I say!

The Cincinnati Bengals could only hope to be as good as the Browns. Talk about a dumpster fire of a franchise...

I was living in Cleveland back when Art Modell moved them to Baltimore. The city was a complete mess back then. The public schools were all falling apart. Kids had to wear their snow jackets in class because a lot of schools were operating with furnaces that were built in the 1920s. Gang violence was surging with the crack academic. And even the arts were affecting, with the Cleveland Ballet folding and going out of business. Amidst all this, city leaders scrambled to fund a new stadium to get an NFL team to come back to Cleveland. And people were shocked when the formerly very affordable season tickets and single game tickets became extraordinarily expensive, pushing out many devoted working class fans. Meanwhile, Cleveland has just continued to fall apart. The city has lost about 20% of its population due to the loss of manufacturing jobs and urban decay (Cleveland really took it on the chin in the housing crisis). Had all the money that went into building a new stadium gone to shoring up the school system and attracting new industry, Cleveland would probably be a much different city that what it is today.

Thanks, your post is very informative.

A lot of the $ for the new stadium came from politicians getting the land where the new stadium was proposed labeled as a "park" so they could funnel state and local tax money to build the stadium. We can't let those making millions risk funding a stadium themselves.

But not for saying the C-word? wrote:

Not sure why they cut him. Isn't this about par for course for Cleveland?

The Cleveland Browns just cut 26-year-old safety Jermaine Whitehead -- after the guy threatened to shoot, kill and fight several fans on social media after the Browns lost on Sunday.

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It's cut out on the one, but the guy's response to getting shot was perfect. He said "You'll probably miss"...

"The NFL is just there to take your money. I don’t watch it for this and many other reasons."

Do you also never go to any type of store either? Stores are just there to take your money also. You might not watch the NFL for "many other reasons", but to claim it is because they take your money makes no sense whatsoever.

So like most of the things you say...