The NFL is doomed!

Hate to tell you this but the pictures of empty seats at the stadiums (taken while many fans are still at the concession stand or in the restroom, or at the end of blowout games) are a better fit for the narrative than actual facts.

@Bright wrote:

Hate to tell you this but the pictures of empty seats at the stadiums (taken while many fans are still at the concession stand or in the restroom, or at the end of blowout games) are a better fit for the narrative than actual facts.

Late 1st Quarter. 2 playoff bound teams.

We're all doomed if the most watched tv programs are "The Big Bang Theory" and "Young Sheldon". People literally need to be told when to laugh nowadays apparently.

One big thing is fantasy football is killing the nfl. People are looking at computer screens instead of watching games. As far as the games go all of the pro leagues have slowly priced themselves out of most peoples range. My son and I went to a nfl game, we didn't tailgate, but by the end of the game tickets, parking, food and drinks it was in the area of $300 to $350. I am the definition of middle class too.

Good!

Yeah, that crowd pales in comparison to a track meet.

@E. Bonix the racist wrote:

Yeah, that crowd pales in comparison to a track meet.

Your point is moot. The NFL is circling the drain. Pay attention, my friend.

Da-bears wrote:

@E. Bonix the racist wrote:

Yeah, that crowd pales in comparison to a track meet.

Your point is moot. The NFL is circling the drain. Pay attention, my friend.

That is a moot point. But explain how the NFL still wins the TV ratings.

TVs are too good now to want to spend the money to go to a game. I have a 60in UltraHDTV, I can sit in my home, get all the stats, no parking to deal with, no crowds, no $8 beers.

A long time ago the NFL turned itself into a TV show with a paying live studio audience. The rules, the officiating, everything is geared towards what's good for TV, not what is good for football or even what IS football. They shouldn't be surprised that now more people want to watch it on TV rather than live, the product is tailored to television.

It's hard to tell the crowd in that pic.

The fans are wearing red and the seats are red.

But attendance is a small piece of the pie.

Viewership leading to advertising plus merchandise adds up to a lot of money.

How much does Nike pay to put their swoosh on every uniform?

You see every commentator with a Microsoft Surface in front of them. Microsfot pays the NFL for that display.

I prefer to watch football at home anyway.

It's fun to go to a game now and then but I wouldn't want season tickets if it was free.

CTE will kill football and martial arts. Federal Tax monies care for USMC victims of CTE.

Does anyone know how ratings work with sport bars, restaurants, gyms, or other places with crowds and tvs?

Bright Bart wrote:

Maybe eventually, but so far Trump and his sheep are losing.

It's incredible how lefties like Mr. "Bright Bart" have become the party of the elite. They're pro-censorship, pro-police state, pro-Big Brother. You guys have no problem with the FBI turning into the secret police, as long as they're going after alternative viewpoints. You have no issue with illegals bringing in narcotics, sex-trafficing, and going on public assistance. You don't see anything wrong with Hillary and Co. running the biggest crime family the nation has ever seen. You don't think it's a big deal when all of your heroes on Hollywood and MSM are a bunch of rapists. You accept stupidely that our country should have near zero growth. You enjoy the fact that the media does nothing but attack the President 24/7 with zero evidence he's done anything wrong.

Let me tell you something. The establishment Dems and Republicans ( Pelosi, Schumer, Ryan, McConnell, McCain, Bush family, Clinton family, Obamas etc, don't give a s**t about you or me. Zero. They are all the same. They only care about lining their pockets and getting as much power as they can by squeezing the lifeblood out of you and me. Again, do you seriously believe that they care about you? If so, you're lying or stupid. Possibly both.

So along comes this billionaire (Trump) who give up his way of life, doesn't get a paycheck, to try and fix all of these problems, a man who genuinely cares about building this country, and you dolts think he's the bad guy. You attack him non-stop despite the economy surging, job market is great, consumer confidence is high. What a sad f***g time we live in.

Who's really the sheep here?

*stupidly. Caught it before you did.

NotPC wrote:

TVs are too good now to want to spend the money to go to a game. I have a 60in UltraHDTV, I can sit in my home, get all the stats, no parking to deal with, no crowds, no $8 beers.

A long time ago the NFL turned itself into a TV show with a paying live studio audience. The rules, the officiating, everything is geared towards what's good for TV, not what is good for football or even what IS football. They shouldn't be surprised that now more people want to watch it on TV rather than live, the product is tailored to television.

This.

I've been to one NFL game and it was not really a pleasant experience. So much just sitting there waiting for the game to resume after a TV timeout or officials having a 'group think' to review a play. Much better to stay home or find a local sports bar for a big game experience.

What will doom the NFL are parents of today's children who might refuse to let their kids play football due to concerns over head injuries. If the pee wee leagues shrink, and fewer kids play football in high school, the college game will suffer, and then the NFL. Frankly, there are already too many NFL teams for the caliber of players that exist -- teams struggle to put together competent offensive lines, let alone find a franchise quarterback.

Participation in youth football is already shrinking, but we haven't yet seen how that might impact the pro game.

I could see the NFL shrinking in 10-15 years -- losing a couple teams every year until it's down to 24 teams, for example.

I'm sure you won't believe me, but I'm a 59 year old white guy, married to the same woman for 35 years, with two grown (and successful) kids. I made $175K last year, looks like $185K or so this year, in sales, so responsible for my income. I live on 20 acres, own another 10, and have a guns. I happen to prefer a party that will protect the environment, that realizes coal mining is not the future - and will produce a handful of jobs at best - that isn't afraid of people based on their color or where they come from, and that doesn't support a candidate as despicable as Roy Moore. As for the current state of the economy, it has been growing since 2009, and employment has been decreasing since then as well. If it is growing marginally faster now, it is because people love the prospect of tax cuts. And tax cuts will boost the economy, until such time as people realize the deficit has skyrocketed, and it's time to pay the piper.

redux wrote:

Does anyone know how ratings work with sport bars, restaurants, gyms, or other places with crowds and tvs?

I assume they do that by surveys.

All ratings are estimates based on the same system that polls are done.

Businesses have to pay a nice fee to broadcast NFL games through any package other then the local broadcasts.

If the games bring good crowds, they will pay the fee. If the demand is high the fee will go up.

I'm sure the NFL gets a piece of that, too.

No other sport has a costly pay package like the NFL. No other sport has their ratings.

Jose el Plomero wrote:

What will doom the NFL are parents of today's children who might refuse to let their kids play football due to concerns over head injuries. If the pee wee leagues shrink, and fewer kids play football in high school, the college game will suffer, and then the NFL. Frankly, there are already too many NFL teams for the caliber of players that exist -- teams struggle to put together competent offensive lines, let alone find a franchise quarterback.

Participation in youth football is already shrinking, but we haven't yet seen how that might impact the pro game.

I could see the NFL shrinking in 10-15 years -- losing a couple teams every year until it's down to 24 teams, for example.

My wife’s ex wanted their son to play football. She said refused due to the health issues. The ex signed him up anyways and the son refused to play because he loves his mama. The kid might not have been any good, but it shows parents are starting to get it.

But football will never go away. There’s too many “macho” men who need to show how tough they are by having their sons play football.