There's a bit of it in this 2009 thread -mainly his 1988 training
There's a bit of it in this 2009 thread -mainly his 1988 training
What Johnny confirms is that 800m guys typically run their lifetime best times in the course of a series of hard races over a short period of time, such as two weeks. That happened with Gray and Cruz certainly. They aren't getting in much training during the peak period and are racing frequently so that they are race sharp and used to the hard paces but their legs are fresher than you would expect because their workouts are almost non-existent at the time.
On the Cruz training, he said to us when wecasked him if you should be doing Lydiard type mileage for 800m. He replied no, but wryly said if you want to also run a good 1500m you have to "do the mileage" and he then told us that 'you can't be great at 800m without being good at 1500m.' Which is a rather interesting answer. I'm surprised he did 65 mpw, there was a lot of speed in there.
I just went to post to one of your other posts, this was in it.
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Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:First of all, if these great runners like Rudisha were hampered by "lots of rounds" which I have never denied
eh ???
Johnny said it, why woud anyone be interested in your opinion if you claim other ?!
you run a 1'42+ solo after rounds in hot weather looking around a lot in last 100 ???
Then how come Rudisha has never run faster than the London final, as you have admitted London is hardly the best track or conditions for a fast time, yet Rudisha running running behind a pacer in a one-off race has not even come close
is this a joke ???
his career peak year was '12, injured in '13 which also wrecked '14 & slight recovery in '15 to get a gold, off-peak in '16 but another gold & injured in '17
do you not follow the sport ???
Look at Juantorena, he only ran 0.06s faster than 1976, where he was a rookie
again you don't follow the sport
it was run in 100F !!! brutal heat & smog of sofia off slow lap
given 75 - 80F & clean air & fast 1st lap, he wouda been looking at
1'42-mid
Doubell never ran faster than then the 1968 final
that undoubtedly peak shape of life
Erang barely ran faster than the 1988 final
he was in fantastic shape in '88 games where he ran 1'45/1'46 in initial prelim which he felt was so easy that he thought he couda run 1'42+ if he'd run hard
he never pushed it hard in '89 when racking up long win streak with his indoor win indicating 1'41-high shape, but content to "ed moses it" but he got injured by '90 & on downside
The same goes for Rodal in lane 2 for the entire race
utter nonsense
he is lane 1 to ~ 500m with huge drafting
he ran ~ 2.5m extra in it but has to give back some for drafting to 500m
no doubt a 1- off in 1'42-low region
and the same goes for many World champions. It is called the Olympic Final and it is the most important race
eh ???
you don't seem to realise many guys, but not all are in career pb shape when winning big gold, but they don't have a 49.5 pacer inserted in race to show it
Most of the elite runners, if they made such major tactical errors as you suggest. Would sit down with their coaches, look at the videos and make changes so that they could indeed run 1:40.24 or what ever time that you suggest. The economics dictate that if a runner could run 1:40 or better they would earn a fortune. Your analysis indicates that all of these great runners are somehow deliberately giving up money by performing below potential
is this a joke ???
all the money in the world can't guarantee a 24-mid/49-high pacer & conditions can't be either
impress us
what you estimate Wilson's 1'41.24 off 24-low/49-low ???
I'm surprised that you haven't adjusted Ereng's world indoor record, yet
i have many times
for an 1-off zurich, ideally drafted, etc :
~ 1'41-high
said88 wrote:Nice to see that our good old friend Ventolin is still always spot on with his evaluation
it's calculo
The meet was televised on Eurosport (I have it on tape)
eh ?
rieti was always last serious meet of year, until milan cropped up once few years back when Big-Man lost his '12 unbeaten record
been some late meets in '00s when wally spearmon ran a 9.96 in shanghai nearly in october !!!, but shanghai moved now to early season
not bothered to check back then in post-rieti '96 if they staged a meet in japan in middle of september !!!
i'd switched to watch Sampras's bid to win US Open in early-september & not looked for track after rieti
Wilson Kipketer has not run a single extra centimeter during the full race. In the first lap he at least was 2 meters behind the pacemaker who stopped after 400m
then confirm pacer's 400 split & what you estimate Wilson's was
he ran 1'42.17
did he do it off 51.3 ???
You can call it an solo effort from gun to tape
no
not if someone offering some not insignificant drafting
absolutely wonderful performance. What a fantastic runner Kipketer was at his best. And his running form probably was the most beautiful ever seen in the 800m
this is is not a topic about beauty, otherwise we woud be stating nijel shouda run 1'41-flat in '12 final if he had "perfect" form !?
can you offer splits in that 1'42.17 ?
xcvxcvxcv wrote:What Johnny confirms is that 800m guys typically run their lifetime best times in the course of a series of hard races over a short period of time, such as two weeks
utter nonsense !!!
can't you read ???
he says he wanted to go home instead of run koblenz as he felt his body was finished !!!
to run 1'42.60 off even/negative splits with virtually certain 3 - 5m of extra on bends with that fatigue makes this one of top handful of intrinsic 800s ever !!!
That happened with Gray and Cruz certainly
no
they were never anywhere close to 1st race of that series, but Cruz ran that nonsense 1k & Johnny poorly in zurich after not recovering from his 1'44.01 US Championship win indianapolis just 5 days before, too tired after his title & jet-lagged for zurich
They aren't getting in much training during the peak period and are racing frequently so that they are race sharp and used to the hard paces but their legs are fresher than you would expect because their workouts are almost non-existent at the time
is this a joke ???
if they are are racing "frequently" in previous few days, when they shoud not be racing it all, it shoud be some 1'50+ leg-stretchers, not 1'42/1'43s !!!
calculo wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:First of all, if these great runners like Rudisha were hampered by "lots of rounds" which I have never denied
eh ???
Johnny said it, why woud anyone be interested in your opinion if you claim other ?!
you run a 1'42+ solo after rounds in hot weather looking around a lot in last 100 ???
Then how come Rudisha has never run faster than the London final, as you have admitted London is hardly the best track or conditions for a fast time, yet Rudisha running running behind a pacer in a one-off race has not even come close
is this a joke ???
his career peak year was '12, injured in '13 which also wrecked '14 & slight recovery in '15 to get a gold, off-peak in '16 but another gold & injured in '17
do you not follow the sport ???
Look at Juantorena, he only ran 0.06s faster than 1976, where he was a rookie
again you don't follow the sport
it was run in 100F !!! brutal heat & smog of sofia off slow lap
given 75 - 80F & clean air & fast 1st lap, he wouda been looking at
1'42-mid
Doubell never ran faster than then the 1968 final
that undoubtedly peak shape of life
Erang barely ran faster than the 1988 final
he was in fantastic shape in '88 games where he ran 1'45/1'46 in initial prelim which he felt was so easy that he thought he couda run 1'42+ if he'd run hard
he never pushed it hard in '89 when racking up long win streak with his indoor win indicating 1'41-high shape, but content to "ed moses it" but he got injured by '90 & on downside
The same goes for Rodal in lane 2 for the entire race
utter nonsense
he is lane 1 to ~ 500m with huge drafting
he ran ~ 2.5m extra in it but has to give back some for drafting to 500m
no doubt a 1- off in 1'42-low region
and the same goes for many World champions. It is called the Olympic Final and it is the most important race
eh ???
you don't seem to realise many guys, but not all are in career pb shape when winning big gold, but they don't have a 49.5 pacer inserted in race to show it
Most of the elite runners, if they made such major tactical errors as you suggest. Would sit down with their coaches, look at the videos and make changes so that they could indeed run 1:40.24 or what ever time that you suggest. The economics dictate that if a runner could run 1:40 or better they would earn a fortune. Your analysis indicates that all of these great runners are somehow deliberately giving up money by performing below potential
is this a joke ???
all the money in the world can't guarantee a 24-mid/49-high pacer & conditions can't be either
impress us
what you estimate Wilson's 1'41.24 off 24-low/49-low ???
I'm surprised that you haven't adjusted Ereng's world indoor record, yet
i have many times
for an 1-off zurich, ideally drafted, etc :
~ 1'41-high
I reckon you've had a really bad itch all week and you're at a bursting point. I actually thought that your Mark Carroll thread was good spotting. Seems interesting they delete your informative post but the nonsense ⤴above gets to stay. So guys with long careers that never get close to the times you suggest yet you ascribe magical super powers to them nonetheless.
Coe, Snell, Rodal, Borzakovskiy, Bucher and Boss aren't on your favourites ex post magical powers list. Hmmm ?what do they all have in common.
[quote]Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
for umpteenthed :
impress us
what you estimate Wilson's 1'41.24 off 24-low/49-low ???
Calculo: please stop writing "+ve" instead of "positive." Native english speakers are confused by that.
calculo wrote:
impress us
Why do you think anybody would care to impress you?
calculo wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:Coe, Snell, Rodal, Borzakovskiy, Bucher and Boss aren't on your favourites ex post magical powers list. Hmmm ?what do they all have in common
idiot
what uncommon do they have with the guy who i said was in peak shape of
44.0 /1'38.9 / 3'24.2
Well, none of them including ryun was ever in that sort of shape, regardless of what you say. So there is that.
calculo wrote:
[quote]Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
for umpteenthed :
impress us
what you estimate Wilson's 1'41.24 off 24-low/49-low ???
? perhaps 1:41.24
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