Deadliest mass shooting in US history in Las Vegas - More than 50 dead

krispy klamcakes wrote:

Answer:

against an armed citizenry -> doesn't happen

against an unarmed citizenry -> holocaust, mass murder, camps, oppression

History is littered with better-armed groups murdering and oppressing less-armed groups. Bottom line: it happens and that's why the Founders enshrined a countermeasure in our Constitution.

And regarding your comment about pleasure of seeing the other side in pain, the only significant group of people that maintain vitriol for another sizable group in our society is the leftist/Hollywood/media/liberal East & West coasters and their attitude towards red/flyover state Republicans.

Hillary summarized this perspective when she called us unredeemable and deplorable. As a society, we need to take a closer look at where the hatred resides in our country. It's not the usual suspects.

You have disproved your own point with your own example. The US went against an armed citizenry in Afghanistan, it happened, and is still going on. We both know what happened there.

And awful condtions still have occurred against an armed citizenry. Syria, for example. Mass murder, torture prisons, mass migration, etc. Superior fire power has overwhelmed Syrian rebels. Superior firepower in Iraq has overwhelmed ISIS, at the cost of many lives, destroyed cities, and broken societies. Were the armed rebellions and armed responses worth it, except to those with fetishes of violence, illusions of power?

Is that what you want for your perceived freedom, rather than the freedom to attempt to solve problems with open discussion? Do you understand the awful reality of warfare, beyond the rebellion fantasies in your mind that give you orgasms?

I read conservative news everyday. The genius of conservative news is that it creates a leftist boogeyman in every situation, and you should fear this leftist boogeyman, and leftists are not people and we should not see them as people, but rather a monolithic group that all thinks and acts the same. The conservative news feeds their readers that same message over and over again, it's constantly reinforced, and it's completely dehumanizing. The conservative news media, and media in general, is not concerned with solving actual problems. They simply want to hook in a loyal readership that will keep coming back to the well to reinforce their viewpoint and bias.

If you think the hate only flows from one place, you are living in a bubble surrounded by propaganda that you don't understand. Hate is pervasive and it can spread to anywhere. I see it all around, from so many sources, and sometimes t explodes in violence. The least you can do is stem it within yourself.

Hillary apologized for that comment, by the way, I'm sorry it has taken you so long to get over it.

The NRA is basically an evil organization. That is not hyperbole! They are bad people.

Who the hell would be against banning armor piecing bullets? We want bullets that can kill law enforcement even if they are wearing a bullet proof vest. That is sick.

Who the hell would be against silencers? If we are sniper attacking a large group we don't want to be found too easy. (Don't give me ear protection nonsense just wear ear protective gear)

Who the hell wants to defend the ownership of semiautomatics guns. Well if the government attacks us we don't want to have to take the time to reload.

Who doesn't want to have all firearms registered? Well if I want an arsenal of 42 guns that's my business. Its my secret.

Why shouldn't I be able to take firearms into sports stadiums, schools, bars? Booze and guns are always a good mix.

And some people listen to this nonsense.

^ Exactly

Ironically, This sad event, and the renewed talk of gun control, is going to result in a gigantic jump in gun sales.

PorkPieHat wrote:

Ironically, This sad event, and the renewed talk of gun control, is going to result in a gigantic jump in gun sales.

The stories back in 2008 when Obama got elected were insane. Stores were out of stock for weeks iirc.

REAL gun owner wrote:

I am a gun owner, and I am deeply saddened by the events in Vegas. Not because how it might affect me, but because innocent people were killed. Lots of gun owners, just like me, think there should be severe restrictions on ownership.

Just Amazed wrote:

That's the American addiction to firearms! Notice on this thread how the gun-addicted people could give a shit about the innocent victims slaughtered and are more worried about their stupid gun rights. I find that repugnant given the horror of the slaughter that occurred. I would bet, however, if it was a family member or loved one of some of these posters that was slaughtered they'd be talking a different game. 😉

I know lots of firearm owners, and not one thinks that. perhaps you'll set an example and give your weapons up voluntarily.

Neither of you obviously know anything about firearms, or the multitude of laws that regulate them. Or it appears, the fact that many already on the books aren't estimated even enforced, or the charges are plea bargained away.

TrackFan19 wrote:

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

Well................not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim. So are you inferring that all mass shootings, firearm related murders etc are done by NRA members? And if so, what data do you have that would support even a shred of that as a premise?

Wrong....most terrorists who commit terrorism in the United States are exactly like this guy....white males. 85% of terrorist acts in the country in the last 20 years are committed by white christian males.

Who's limiting the terrorism discussion to the US? Also, you don't consider the murder rate in Chicago gang terrorism?

TrackFan19 wrote:

Look in the mirror son wrote:

That's an average weekend on Chicago.

What the hell does Chicago or any other city have to do with this terrible horrific evil that took place in Las Vegas?

I think because that kind of violence occurs at a much higher rate there, X 10 every year. And no one seems to care. Particularly the liberal politicians.

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

TrackFan19 wrote:

What the hell does Chicago or any other city have to do with this terrible horrific evil that took place in Las Vegas?

I think because that kind of violence occurs at a much higher rate there, X 10 every year. And no one seems to care. Particularly the liberal politicians.

Lol. You've got an "answer" (if randomly typing words constitutes an answer) for everyone and are trying to call everyone out on generalizations or knowing more than they actually do, yet here you go with gross generalizations and exaggerations.

"no one cares" about inner city violence ?? Bulllll-$hit. Lots of people care. One possible solution, limiting or even making illegal, firearm possession is a non-starter for so many in this country. So it's tough to solve when guns are flooding the streets and cites of America. What's the right wing solution? Religion and tax cuts for the rich/trickle down economics?? Yeah, bang up job!

And as far as "liberal politicians" "particularly" not caring, more BS from you. They certainly care more than right wing politicians. (neither cares enough) Or, let me guess, you think white, right wing politicians are regularly wringing their hands about inner city blacks murdering one another?? You're a clown.

You and Your Gun wrote:

If you have a gun, I know you spend a lot of time thinking about what it would be like to shoot someone with it. Don't try to tell me you just use it for hunting or for target practice or it just stays locked up in a closet. What you love is thinking of scenarios that would give you a chance to shoot someone.

This this this

Anyone that owns that many guns and is so into the gun culture could crack at any second. This guy has probably spent years dreaming about going out in 'style' and he finally did it.

88 head shots. No way this old guy with no training pulled that off

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

I think because that kind of violence occurs at a much higher rate there, X 10 every year. And no one seems to care. Particularly the liberal politicians.

Wrong! The current death toll puts Las Vegas, NV over 160 homicides for 2017. Chicago, IL has a bit under 350 homicides, 2017. Chicago, IL has population of roughly 4.5 times as many people as Las Vegas, NV. Thus, murders per capita in Chicago, IL are lower than murders per capita in Las Vegas, NV, 2017.

Statistically speaking we are doing great. An American is more likely to be killed in an auto accident than by the gun. I don’t see any libbbtwats wanting to ban cars.

Every year auto manufacturers introduce new safety device to make cars safer. New and/or stricter laws and regulations are passed all the time to make driving safer.

They are LITERALLY building cars that will drive themselves so fewer dvmbass drivers are killed every year.

Guns get less safe and more lethal every year.

Kind of backwards.

Alpha Maverick wrote:

88 head shots. No way this old guy with no training pulled that off

Idiot, if you're randomly firing hundreds of rounds in to a packed crowd of thousands that's going to happen. You do know over 550 people were hit so "88 head shots" is not high.

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

REAL gun owner wrote:

I am a gun owner, and I am deeply saddened by the events in Vegas. Not because how it might affect me, but because innocent people were killed. Lots of gun owners, just like me, think there should be severe restrictions on ownership.

I know lots of firearm owners, and not one thinks that. perhaps you'll set an example and give your weapons up voluntarily.

I am a gun owner and favor more restrictions and regulations on guns.

Overall, there are way too many fvcking stupid people in the world. It doesn't take long to see this.

Right now the average stupid person can go buy as many guns as they like or can afford. There is no IQ test. There is no psychological review.

Nothing. Any and all idiots can be armed to the teeth if they so choose.

I am highly in favor of making gun ownership more restrictive. If I have to give up my 7 guns to rid this country of its gun slinging fetish, I am willing to do so. I've spent a career in the military and I have a LOT of hands on gun training and practice.

Any less and you shouldn't own a damn gun.

Alpha Maverick wrote:

88 head shots. No way this old guy with no training pulled that off

Source ?

No. I didn't think so.

Think about it. wrote:

Alpha Maverick wrote:

88 head shots. No way this old guy with no training pulled that off

Idiot, if you're randomly firing hundreds of rounds in to a packed crowd of thousands that's going to happen. You do know over 550 people were hit so "88 head shots" is not high.

He did it from 1,700 ft. away. He was trained