44 year old who just started androgel....improvements?

No idea, but keep us updated so that we can evaluate how much to discount the times that others we believe to be on such treatments are posting.

What are your recent times?

Just please don't kiss any of the Americans before London. That whole thing was a real hassle.

Androgel and running wrote:

I was diagnosed with lowT this past spring and just started taking androgel that the DR gave me. Am I gonna start to be fast again? I have been running with low T for years and am fast enough to qualify for Boston, win my age group in almost every distance and so on.

Anyone know what is going ot happen?

Simple answer....NO

It isn't bottled lightning.

Elevated t will help you train a little harder and recover better. Dr. Likely has a does that should get you back to 1:1.

If you want to see why the IOC loves T, do a little more for a few weeks. The IOC has the T/E ratio at 4:1. You'll never hit that ratio doing just a little more. But, you can then extrapolate what running near 4:1 would be like and how much harder you could train. The cumulative effects overwhelm clean athletes.

Definitely go back to the rx dose after that.

That's Great! Thanks for posting!

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

It isn't bottled lightning.

Elevated t will help you train a little harder and recover better. Dr. Likely has a does that should get you back to 1:1.

If you want to see why the IOC loves T, do a little more for a few weeks. The IOC has the T/E ratio at 4:1. You'll never hit that ratio doing just a little more. But, you can then extrapolate what running near 4:1 would be like and how much harder you could train. The cumulative effects overwhelm clean athletes.

Definitely go back to the rx dose after that.

no thanks.....I like taking meds the way they are prescribed. Besides if it restores T levels to maybe a 30 year old I could guess I could hit those times again at 44. That would be sweet.

The big thing about low T and training was that I wasnt recovering for crap. 2-3 days between even the easiest workouts. I hope now I can make that a 2 day turnaround.

Androgel and running wrote:

Anyone know what is going ot happen?

Here's one guy's report:

Shouldn't the goal of the treatment be to get you to "normal" levels for a 44-year-old rather than to the levels of a 30-year-old?

Be sure to ask your doc what this does to your chances of getting cancer, or accelerating the growth of small tumors that already exist. Getting faster is one thing, but I'd rather be slower and not risking helping my body grow cancers.

Androgel and running wrote:

I was diagnosed with lowT this past spring and just started taking androgel that the DR gave me. Am I gonna start to be fast again? I have been running with low T for years and am fast enough to qualify for Boston, win my age group in almost every distance and so on.

Anyone know what is going ot happen?

do you rub it on your nuts? pics?

inthenads wrote:

Be sure to ask your doc what this does to your chances of getting cancer, or accelerating the growth of small tumors that already exist. Getting faster is one thing, but I'd rather be slower and not risking helping my body grow cancers.

...or hair...or testicles....

Lurker wrote:

Shouldn't the goal of the treatment be to get you to "normal" levels for a 44-year-old rather than to the levels of a 30-year-old?

whats the normal level for any age?? there isnt one. sure there are ranges but who sais that you cant walk around like you are 18 again

The ranges certainly would be a good guideline.

Certainly no one says you can't walk around like you are 18 again, but I thought the question would highlight a bit of potential hypocrisy in the OPs response essentially stating "No thanks, I am just using the meds to get back to normal, not to amp things up" but really seeking to get back to something other than where he would be if his T levels decreased in age in a customary way.

I guess what I am getting at is that if the OP is trying to get back to being 30 as a 44 year old, that is basically cheating as a runner and he may as well go full tilt. Of course, the preferable approach in my view would be to leave well enough alone. He is already running well enough to earn his BQ, which seems to be a standard of good performance for him.

Shrinkage, Jerry! wrote:

inthenads wrote:

Be sure to ask your doc what this does to your chances of getting cancer, or accelerating the growth of small tumors that already exist. Getting faster is one thing, but I'd rather be slower and not risking helping my body grow cancers.

...or hair...or testicles....

....or prostate. I was diagnosed with low T years ago. Asked the doc about shots or Androgel. She said she would prescribe something, but part of the deal is that you need to get your prostate checked frequently. I said no thanks. When you get older, prostate problems happen on their own. I'm not helping them along.

Be careful, OP. Get your PSA numbers done a few times a year.

inthenads wrote:

Be sure to ask your doc what this does to your chances of getting cancer, or accelerating the growth of small tumors that already exist. Getting faster is one thing, but I'd rather be slower and not risking helping my body grow cancers.

...and be sure to ask your doc about cardiovascular disease risk associated with TRT!

A recent meta-analysis suggests there's more hype with benefits that doctors are disclosing with their patients. And 2 BILLION dollars in annual sales from 2012 data - now that explains everything; a good source of profit for Big Pharma...who would have thought.

I am a younger guy who was prescribed andgrogel at a very young age. It allowed me to train like an animal but I realized that not only did I not need it.... I was just under eating which caused the low t......... But that the risks far outweighed the benefits. I am now three years off and have testosterone of close to 1000.

If I were you I'd do everything I can naturally to raise testosterone and see if you can get to a good level. The heart disease risk is just too much for a man your age

Bob Schul Country wrote:

Lurker wrote:

Shouldn't the goal of the treatment be to get you to "normal" levels for a 44-year-old rather than to the levels of a 30-year-old?

whats the normal level for any age?? there isnt one. sure there are ranges but who sais that you cant walk around like you are 18 again

Well, there is the chance thyroid shuts down, but cycle up-and-downfor a couple of months and no hatm. Gotta watch the temper.

Don't blame me if you get ball cancer.

as you age a decline in T is natural...quick messing with biology..you will end up with prostate cancer.. who cares about Q for Boston

I wish you all the best with your medical treatment and quality of life. But please stay the hell out of any race I'm entered in. We'd be in the same age division in a lot of races, but I come by my times honestly. Thank you.