Looks like a successful proposition where it's been tested. Charge criminals for their stay in a prison facility where they don't have to be subjected to those poor unsuccessful criminals. Has the potential to save tax payer money...
Looks like a successful proposition where it's been tested. Charge criminals for their stay in a prison facility where they don't have to be subjected to those poor unsuccessful criminals. Has the potential to save tax payer money...
Inmates are already charges about 80 dollars a day for jail time. Please learn about systems before endorsing ways to "fix" them.
They should be fining anyone with the means to pay the cost to house them as a rule and allowing access to these "nicer" prisons based on seriousness of the crime only.
Learn about the world first wrote:
Inmates are already charges about 80 dollars a day for jail time. Please learn about systems before endorsing ways to "fix" them.
^^^This guy didn't click the link.
It's not a bad idea.
You're right, the way to improve the prison system is definitely to increase for profit incentives.
When will people realize that retributive penal systems just cost $$$ and don't make us safer for all but the most violent criminals.
the letter why wrote:
You're right, the way to improve the prison system is definitely to increase for profit incentives.
He did not say THE way. What he said is A way and he is correct.
fsdfsdfsdf wrote:
Learn about the world first wrote:Inmates are already charges about 80 dollars a day for jail time. Please learn about systems before endorsing ways to "fix" them.
^^^This guy didn't click the link.
It's not a bad idea.
It is a wretched idea. If you are going down that path, why not take the next step and just let people write a check for the crime. After all if some is rich, how bad could they really be?
Yay one more way to increase the gap in quality of life between rich and poor.
Or we could, like, invest in community-oriented rehabilitation programs, provide better mental health, educational and social work services, and continue repealing harsh mandatory minimums for petty drug crimes so that we put fewer people in prison that we have to pay for.
Harambe wrote:
When will people realize that retributive penal systems just cost $$$ and don't make us safer for all but the most violent criminals.
I was stationed on a military base which had a federal prison on its grounds, and prisoners came to our building every day to pick up trash and do light custodial work. I was in charge of our snack bar and some of those guys would help out, so I got to know them. They were non-violent offenders and they worked hard, but always at shady things. The mindset they had was always scheming. It costs society less to have them in prison than the damage they would do if they were on the outside.
Harambe wrote:
When will people realize that retributive penal systems just cost $$$ and don't make us safer for all but the most violent criminals.
When will people realize the cost to society of having criminals out on the streets? Locking them up is way less expensive.
That's true for some, of course. Most petty criminals, while a nuisance, do not cost society anywhere near the $60-100k or more per year that they cost to imprison. So, obviously there should be other solutions that teach them skills and force them to work and integrate them back into society. It's far cheaper to put more resources into families in higher crime areas around the country, put the fathers to work on infrastructure projects, get the kids in extra school and extracurricular activities, etc., than to pay the policing and prison costs down the line.
Criminals should be sent to low-cost prisons in places like Venezuela, Thailand, Syria, Brazil or even North Korea.
xcvxvxcvx wrote:
That's true for some, of course. Most petty criminals, while a nuisance, do not cost society anywhere near the $60-100k or more per year that they cost to imprison. So, obviously there should be other solutions that teach them skills and force them to work and integrate them back into society. It's far cheaper to put more resources into families in higher crime areas around the country, put the fathers to work on infrastructure projects, get the kids in extra school and extracurricular activities, etc., than to pay the policing and prison costs down the line.
The cost you cite is high by a factor of two. And you progressives have been talking about make-work infrastructure since the New Deal and it hasn't ever worked.
xcvxvxcvx wrote:
That's true for some, of course. Most petty criminals, while a nuisance, do not cost society anywhere near the $60-100k or more per year that they cost to imprison. So, obviously there should be other solutions that teach them skills and force them to work and integrate them back into society. It's far cheaper to put more resources into families in higher crime areas around the country, put the fathers to work on infrastructure projects, get the kids in extra school and extracurricular activities, etc., than to pay the policing and prison costs down the line.
You could not be more wrong. The government could throw countless trillions at these kinds of social problems and would get next to zero results. It's not a money problem; it's a human problem that cannot be fixed by the government. These problems come from broken families, broken values and a broken culture. Realistically, the only solution is one family at a time, bottom up. It takes a tremendous amount of love, sacrifice and work and it must come from family. Government bureaucrats aren't going to do this. They can't.
save money wrote:
Criminals should be sent to low-cost prisons in places like Venezuela, Thailand, Syria, Brazil or even North Korea.
http://list25.com/25-most-brutal-prisons-in-the-world/5/
I like this idea. The US is willing to outsource good paying jobs to places like India and China so why not outsource our prisoners to foreign entities?
asdfasfads wrote:
fsdfsdfsdf wrote:^^^This guy didn't click the link.
It's not a bad idea.
It is a wretched idea. If you are going down that path, why not take the next step and just let people write a check for the crime. After all if some is rich, how bad could they really be?
How's that the "next step?" Doesn't sound remotely like a "next step" at all, but a major logic fallacy.
Yeah let's force criminals into large debts so that when they get out in a couple years they get nice jobs as shopkeepers and dog walkers to make back the cash....
slow twitcher wrote:
xcvxvxcvx wrote:That's true for some, of course. Most petty criminals, while a nuisance, do not cost society anywhere near the $60-100k or more per year that they cost to imprison. So, obviously there should be other solutions that teach them skills and force them to work and integrate them back into society. It's far cheaper to put more resources into families in higher crime areas around the country, put the fathers to work on infrastructure projects, get the kids in extra school and extracurricular activities, etc., than to pay the policing and prison costs down the line.
the cost you Site is high by a factor of to. And you Progresives have ben talking about make-work Infrastucture since the New Deal and it has'nt ever worked.
The new deal worked. Try again.
Seems like a slippery slope to cops to start targeting rich for incarceration. The prison guard union lobby is real folks.
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