2017 D3 Atlantic Region XC

ya boy was suffering from chronic kegal fatigue. Between the pre-race kegal and JPD sets the kid was set up to come home DEVASTATED!

After today SUNY Plattsburgh's men and women are back in the conversation .

Rowan should move up regional rankings after today. Despite annual concerns about the length of the Letchworth course, it's almost definitely slower than Lehigh. Rowan averaged roughly the same time that SLU and NYU did at Lehigh today. I would think new rankings would put Rowan third, TCNJ hanging on to fourth, and SLU NYU and Oneonta for the next three spots.

After those 5, no other team is really "in the conversation". Whatever at large bids the region gets will be taken by those teams.

Profs wrote:

Despite annual concerns about the length of the Letchworth course, it's almost definitely slower than Lehigh.

If you know the coaches at Geneseo then you know they would never make a short course. Not by any significant margin.

The course was redone last year from previous years and it was measured for SUNYACs numerous times when they made it.

Lots of firm ground a downhill last 600m and weather was ideal yesterday.

And Paul Short runs faster than Letchworth every year... Paul Short runs faster than almost everywhere every year.

Profs wrote:

Rowan should move up regional rankings after today. Despite annual concerns about the length of the Letchworth course, it's almost definitely slower than Lehigh. Rowan averaged roughly the same time that SLU and NYU did at Lehigh today. I would think new rankings would put Rowan third, TCNJ hanging on to fourth, and SLU NYU and Oneonta for the next three spots.

hahahaha what??? SLU (25:34) and NYU (25:35) both averaged 15sec faster than TCNJ (25:50) on the same course. What the hell are you looking at? Then Rowan (25:39) and Oneonta (25:48) averaged faster than TCNJ on a slightly slower course. I don't think Rowan will move ahead of SLU or NYU, though you could make the argument. SLU and NYU literally beat TCNJ and you have them ranked behind them. you're hilarious

Geneseo

RPI

SLU

NYU

Rowan

Oneonta

TCNJ

Yeah TCNJ really shit the bed this weekend with a DFL finish. At this rate even Potsdam and Farmingdale might have a chance against them at Regionals. Pathetic

averaging 26:35 won’t even put Plattsburgh men in the conversation for winning a 5k diabetes fundraiser

After this weekend I think the rankings will be:

1. Genny

2. Engineering nerds

3. SLUt's

4. NJ school with trash course (Rowan)

5. NYU

6. Stoneonta

7.TCNJ

It is becoming extremely evident that the AR will only get 4 teams this year. It should be a nice battle between 3-7 for those two at-large bids. Ive been impressed with SLU so far considering people were saying that they were finished after last year. Rowan and NYU are both very solid teams and if TCNJ gets their shit together by the time regionals rolls around they will be good. Also, is IGC hurt? How come he didn't win yesterday?

Raced at Letchworth yesterday, seemed like the whole Geneseo team tempo'd with IGC trying to help the guys behind him towards a faster time. Multiple reports from teammates and even witnessed myself that some of the Geneseo guys didn't start actually trying until around 3 miles into the race. Kid next to me started hauling ass when we hit the 3 mile marker.

Genny Lite wrote:

Raced at Letchworth yesterday, seemed like the whole Geneseo team tempo'd with IGC trying to help the guys behind him towards a faster time. Multiple reports from teammates and even witnessed myself that some of the Geneseo guys didn't start actually trying until around 3 miles into the race. Kid next to me started hauling ass when we hit the 3 mile marker.

Not the whole team, based on multiple reports of people who weren't racing just observing, just IGC and Burks tempoed until the 3mi marker.

And Pulvidente ...

Interesting. I guess it seems like they are practicing late race surges for bigger races. It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.

I hate RIT

it has become pretty clear Geneseo is going to dominate regionals. Beat RPI without McAneny and Jorgensen (25:01 and 25:05 this week). Putting together their whole top 5 will make for a great team.

RPI is the clear 2. they have a great top 2 and a small spread in 3-4-5 that helps quiet a bit. However, I was a little disappointed with their result this weekend. anyone there to see the race? all out?

the battle for 3rd will be between SLU, NYU, Rowan, Oneonta and TCNJ

SLU - good squad that can be dangerous if Sidi always runs well. Dadley has improved a lot. Mortensen, Mancuso and Mitchell are a good 3-4-5 for them as well. SLU has always been consistent. I would expect them to show up at regionals

NYU - historically inconsistent which makes them a variable. Saddler is a good front runner who had a great track season. Mudd and Setya should improve quiet a bit which could make them dangerous.

Rowan - good front runner in Veltre. Their 4-5 arent great which could cost them in a bigger meet. Also historically inconsistent, especially in big meets when it counts.

Oneonta - good top 2. big improvements from Akerley and McDonald this season. 3-4-5 needs some work in order to be more competitive. Dellabough was a sub 25:40 last year, along with Brennan. If those two can run with McDonald they'll be good. They were also very consistent last year so I expect them to improve throughout the year. New coach seems to know his stuff.

TCNJ - Another very inconsistent team. Johnson is a good front runner for them, and they're 2-5 pack is close. But, they're 2-5 pack is too far back and ran terribly at Paul Short. Could be a sleeper just like last year, though.

Any one of those teams could end up 3rd, or end up 7th, which is pretty cool in my opinion

Yes RPI was all out. Bates was there. They couldn't take it easy. Anyways, there was some confusion on the course when a woman in the crowd tried to tell the lead bike and runners they were going the wrong way so Grant and Sean with an alum ran stopped ran again stopped again then ran again then Grant and said alum went the right way while Sean went the wrong way. Sean then had to catch up with a big surge as the field had caught him in this 15 second debacle. Could be the reason for his slightly subpar result. Let's look at things honestly though...

Lehigh is faster than Geneseo by a little and both are faster than SPAC significantly.

Time gap from Grant to Jake Davis was similar to Williams but Grant to Jake was their 1-3 gap, this time it was 1-5 as they had two "new" guys at 3-4. Just like Geneseo may have shown two new guys, RPI did as well in Anderson and Kloman.

Lol you RPI kids really think you're as good as Geneseo. That's hilarious. SPAC is a fast course. MAYBE 5-10 seconds slower than the Geneseo course. I've run on both, so trust me. SPAC may have a bit more of a roll to it, but Genny is soft and grassy, while SPAC is packed hard as a rock.

Yes all these teams are very close but you're forgetting one team as they are usually slept on. Utica. I've heard their coach doesn't have them race all out until regionals. If you think about it they have guys like Tyler wright with solid track performances and a bunch of middle pack guys all together. Their team literally has more potential than any of these teams by a long shot. They have so much depth they can win their E8 conference championship with their B-team. At regionals Utica will have their top 5 under 25:35.

Bates gave RPI a run for their money but I doubt the OConnors were all out. They have enough fitness to gap the field comfortably without being all out. The Babson boys were the closest to them fitness wise, but that gap was established early on and slowly grew over the race. I would wager RPI ran just enough to have a dominant win with Grant taking off to just get under the course record. Not to mention the alumni Andrews in 4th place, wouldn't be surprised if they held back to run with him because they were all together till the course mix-up.

Bates was easily beating RPI at the 5K mark but in that last 3K RPI swung through. The rest of the team had no reason to not be racing, but that was impressive. If it was an intended move at 5K, they have a lot of potential. Even if not, shows a good amount of strength and racing ability.

But again, there's no chance they're faster than SunyG. Genny has much better scoring depth, and SPAC is more like a road racing course. Ferndale is annoying and all but not enough to make the course slow by any means, and the firmer ground is definitely not akin to a real XC course at all.

Only chance RPI takes Genny, or even gives them a run for their money is if RPI's 3-5 has an extremely good day, AND then it comes to the 6/7 runners somehow. I'd wager RPI's post-scoring depth over Genny's, but that's extremely circumstantial.

thanks for sucking my own teams D for me my jaw was getting tired