2017 D3 Atlantic Region XC

Chrome autofill settings wrote:

Hmm, I read here that RIT is unlikely to be in the top 20 in team scoring at regionals. I have no reason to believe that person was lying.

Finally someone with some common sense in this thread.

Brick City Plan wrote:

Listen it may sound crazy that we will beat RPI BUT WE WILL.

If you assume Otto and G. O'Connor are the same, time gaps on each team behind them are very similar with the advantage going to RIT due to a stronger third runner in Bailey this past weekend. It may be hard to believe but Reid Kovacs is as good as Sean O'Connor.

Which scenario is more believable, above or Grant O'Connor is significantly better than Otto and hence could win nationals....

I will answer for you....scenario 1.

See again, that only makes sense if you only scored 3 runners in xc. I promise that RPI could score all 7 guys at LLs and regionals and still score less than RITs 5.

And to your last point, Grant Oconnor is 3 - 0 against Otto, so yes, he is definitely better.

Sean OConnor actually beat the entire RIT team at LLs last year, including Kovacs by 39 places. While he probably isn't as good as Bailey, I think you're hitting the nail on the head when you say its hard to believe Kovacs is as good as him. He just isn't. I get that you have pride in your team or whatever, but you still have a long way to go to prove that RIT can compete for a top 5 regional spot, let alone an automatic bid.

To continue my habit of double posting:

Comparing scores from this past weekend, RPI beat Midd 55 to 77. RIT beat Genny B team 53 to 72. With scores so similar, it would follow that in order for RIT to be as good as RPI, Genny B team would be about as good as Midd. I have a hard time believing that, no matter how deep Genny is, cause Midd is ranked 18th nationally. Where is RIT sitting in the most recent national rankings?

Rankings mean nothing

Brick City Plan wrote:

Rankings mean nothing

They do tend to be a pretty good reflection of how good a team is currently. Not perfect, sure. But don't tell me that beating a ranked team means nothing when RIT hasn't raced against a single ranked team all season.

At Large and In Charge wrote:

To continue my habit of double posting:

Comparing scores from this past weekend, RPI beat Midd 55 to 77. RIT beat Genny B team 53 to 72. With scores so similar, it would follow that in order for RIT to be as good as RPI, Genny B team would be about as good as Midd. I have a hard time believing that, no matter how deep Genny is, cause Midd is ranked 18th nationally. Where is RIT sitting in the most recent national rankings?

From tfrrs:

Geneseo B team top-5 (Yellowjacket team) track PRs

Tate (32:00, 15:01)

Hoelzl (4:19, 9:38 3kst)

Mazzuca (2:31 1k, 4:21, 9:27 3ks)

Heragthy (32:16)

Hess (Transfer, NT)

Middlebury top-5 (conn college team) track PRs

Aispuro (4:21, 9:50 3ks)

D'Aquila (freshman, 4:25 1600, 9:18 3200)

Knowlton (15:05, 31:51)

Henderson (4:27, 9:50 3ks)

Michelson (4:32, 10:04 3ks)

Genny B team is as good as (if not better than) Middlebury, as weird as that may seem. I guess there's a reason Geneseo is ranked #2 in the country, they really are just THAT good. So it would appear that RIT could be as high as #19 in the country, they do have one hell of a low stick.

This is XC season, not track...

Middlebury had 5 men in front of Geneseo A's 4th at Williams. That was without Aispuro...so really potentially 6.

RPI put 6 in front of Middlebury's 4 on Saturday.

Another comparison...

Ramapo was 3 points behind RIT, yet 103 points behind RPI the next weekend.

Another comparison

Ramapo was 6 sec slower than RIT at Houghton, 45 seconds slower than RPI at Conn....Middlebury was 10 sec faster than NYU at Lehigh, and RPI was 23 sec faster than Middlebury, RIT lost to NYU

All from TFRRS too, I'm the stats man now.

Hanks, Tom wrote:

This is XC season, not track...

Middlebury had 5 men in front of Geneseo A's 4th at Williams. That was without Aispuro...so really potentially 6.

RPI put 6 in front of Middlebury's 4 on Saturday.

Another comparison...

Ramapo was 3 points behind RIT, yet 103 points behind RPI the next weekend.

Another comparison

Ramapo was 6 sec slower than RIT at Houghton, 45 seconds slower than RPI at Conn....Middlebury was 10 sec faster than NYU at Lehigh, and RPI was 23 sec faster than Middlebury, RIT lost to NYU

All from TFRRS too, I'm the stats man now.

Silly me, looks like RPI is gonna beat Geneseo. Stick a fork in those Genny boys, they just got served!

I don't think that's the point he was trying to make. No one with half a brain would bet on RPI over Geneseo based on what we've seen. Hell, they beat RPI sitting two of their top 7.

It just makes more sense to evaluate teams on performances this season rather than using last years track times. Geneseo is definitely deep, and their B team is obviously better than many A teams in the region, but mile and 3ks times from 6 months ago don't mean as much as how they ran the past month.

RIT really screwed themselves over at getting a chance at Nationals this year by not going to any good races. They have faced bottom of the barrel teams each week and have consistently lost to them. Even in a miracle if they place 4th at Regionals I doubt they would go because they haven't beaten anybody fast all year. RIT is the problem with this region.

Rankings out:

3 - Geneseo (Down 1)

8 - RPI (Down 2)

27 - SLU (Down 1)

29 - NYU (Up 3)

33 - Rowan (Down 10)

RV - Oneonta (NR)

Not great week-over-week change for AR.

Are you sure those are correct? I could've sworn based on the RIT dick suckers in this thread that keep posting that they were first in the nation.

RRRanks wrote:

Rankings out:

3 - Geneseo (Down 1)

8 - RPI (Down 2)

27 - SLU (Down 1)

29 - NYU (Up 3)

33 - Rowan (Down 10)

RV - Oneonta (NR)

Not great week-over-week change for AR.

Color me surprised wrote:

Are you sure those are correct? I could've sworn based on the RIT dick suckers in this thread that keep posting that they were first in the nation.

No one here is sucking RIT's dick. Most people on this thread actually hate them.

Breaking news, the entire RIT team will run regionals in casts after suffering broken wrists due to excessively jerking themselves off. This will affect their performance, however the casts will be off in time for them to win nationals

HerewegoO wrote:

Oneonta's top guy is better than SLU's.

Oneonta’s last guy is better than SLU’s

Okay I really don't get why ?????rockport isn't ranked, I know for a fact that Andrew Davis Sean Keuhn and Stefan Davies tempoed Rochester. They're all sub 25:30 bets at Regionals. How can you argue with that? Those are pure STATS. Top 3 are SUNYACs and then in 2 weeks, top 5 in the Atlantic region. It's called peaking, and they're gonna do it right. Fear my nest

Um, you guys have no idea what's coming. CXC has been tempoing every 8k so far this year and you're about to see five guys under 26. At least.

SUNYAC 4LYFE

Sunyac is gonna take give out of the top ten.

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