UN demand US pay reparations for blacks.

Just don't bill me. wrote:

Odd - looking at the state of Africa today, slaveowners did current African/Americans a favour by transporting their ancestors to a land of unlimited opportunity.

They brought them over AS SLAVES. You know where you have no say in what you work on, where you live, you are not paid and have zero freedoms. WTF are you talking about "unlimited opportunity"?

Can you also honestly say that a group of people who used to be forced to work against their will can have unlimited opportunity in a country?

Why the UN says so? The corrupt UN? Don't they know the history of slavery?

America was a customer of slave traders. America didn't put anyone into slavery because they were already slaves.If the UN wants to assign reparations to the descendants of slave trading countries, then they should call on all the West African countries who enslaved its people in the first place. They should make the descendants of Muslim traders pay. They should make the Dutch, Portuguese and Britain pay, since those three countries dominated the slave trafficking.

Leave America out of it. Muhammed Ali was right. The best thing to ever happen to the descendants of slaves was for their great-great-great-great grandparents to be sent to America into bondage. The alternative was DEATH!

https://www.amazon.com/SLAVE-TRADE-STORY-ATLANTIC-1440/dp/0684835657

Get yourself educated.

Isn't welfare kind of like reparations now?

The IRR on the whole slavery business has got to be deeply negative for the US. Just like excessive share buybacks today, slaveholding corporates were too short-term focused

Hugh Thomas wrote:

Leave America out of it. Muhammed Ali was right. The best thing to ever happen to the descendants of slaves was for their great-great-great-great grandparents to be sent to America into bondage. The alternative was DEATH!

Give me Liberty or Give me Death

Live Free or Die

One of the founding principles of this country was freedom came before all else. Or do words and phrases like that only mean something when white people say them?

coach deez kids wrote:

Just don't bill me. wrote:

Odd - looking at the state of Africa today, slaveowners did current African/Americans a favour by transporting their ancestors to a land of unlimited opportunity.

They brought them over AS SLAVES. You know where you have no say in what you work on, where you live, you are not paid and have zero freedoms. WTF are you talking about "unlimited opportunity"?

Unlimited opportunity NOW you dummy.

Think for a moment - courses of instruction in the schools, academic rigor, codes of dress, rules regarding unceasing obscenity, all must be set to suit them, as must be examinations for promotion in fire departments, the military, and police forces.

Blacks must be admitted to universities for which they are not remotely qualified, where departments of Black Studies must be established to please them.

Corporate work forces, federal departments, and elite high-schools must be judged not on whether they perform their functions but on whether they have the right number of blacks.

Plus unlimited licence to go on killing each other - what else do the want?

You have no clue about anything. Keep eating up that KKK propaganda to suit your narrative of how it is for African Americans today.

coach deez kids wrote:

You have no clue about anything. Keep eating up that KKK propaganda to suit your narrative of how it is for African Americans today.

How many AAs do you think would trade their current "plight" in the US for that of the average African? Give me a %.

The vast majority of slave owners were British. Even then only about 10% of white folks owned slaves. Most could not afford them. My family came to America from Germany and Austria in the late 1800's and early 1900's. They worked in the steel mills and the mines when there were no rights for any workers. Injury, sickness be damned, there were no government benefits back then. Their lives were controlled by the "Company". Low wages, poor working conditions and the "Company" did not house of feed them They suffered through the great depression. They struggled to make ends meet, once again without government assistance. Answer me please: Why on earth should anyone from my family make reparations to anyone?

Periwinklle wrote:

Isn't welfare kind of like reparations now?

I don't think the banksters who were bailed out with trillions of our dollars are descended from American slaves.

They like to think their ancestors were slaves in Egypt thousands of years ago ; but they are delusional.

Periwinklle wrote:

Isn't welfare kind of like reparations now?

No. Government jobs, though, are most certainly reparations.

If you somehow could limit the payment of reparations to the descendants of people who actually suffered from slavery and limit liability to the descendants of people who actually benefited from it maybe you've got something. But you have to assume US taxpayers would foot the bill and that creates some oddities.

You'd have,say, the descendants of Irishmen who emigrated here decades after slavery ended and who worked for next to no money in deplorable conditions, (my great great granddad died in a coal mine accident around 1880, a couple years after emigrating) paying reparations to people who've done extremely well here. Michael Jordan and Bill Cosby's daughters are going to get reparations? Really? And because US blacks are often taxpayers you'd have a situation where they're paying themselves reparation money.

In lawsuits where plaintiffs are the winners there's usually an assumption that their lives would be better than they are if whatever they're being paid for had not happened. Had there been no slavery in US history the ancestors of American blacks would never have met and they wouldn't even exist. As a group, are reparation advocates suggesting that black lives are so bad that they'r be better off having never been born? And if blacks should get reparations for the treatment of their ancestors, why shouldn't Indians get them as well?

I wonder what the UN has to say about the Islamic slave trade then. It is longer lasting, more pervasive, cost more human lives, and still functions today in some capacity. Over a million Europeans were enslaved by the Islamic slave trade. Perhaps reparations are due there as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

In other words... people who have never owned a slave owe reparations to persons who have never been a slave.

Once the UN declares Israel owes reparations to the Palestinians we can start taking what the UN says seriously.

Most white Americans are not descended from slave owners, expecting them to pay reparations based on the color of their skin is racist.

third generation American wrote:

Most white Americans are not descended from slave owners, expecting them to pay reparations based on the color of their skin is racist.

Well, as a Wells Fargo shareholder, I will be paying for the stupid decisions made by unethical credit card hawkers at the mid-management level. Seems unfair to me. Life is unfair. My great-grandparents came over from Germany in the early 1900s, so my ancestors had nothing to do with slavery. I am happy to help make things right in the USA, though.

In all honesty, I say that the United States ought to go ahead and see what can be done to make things right once and for all. Let's put it all out on the table and let the African-American leaders do the math. Would it be the Congressional Black Caucus?

Slavery was an abomination and we need to make it right as a country, but we need specifics. What can be done to make it right? We can't just keep saying, "nothing will ever make it right." That would be understandable coming from the people who were actually enslaved, but we can and must make it right for their descendants. The remedy needs to be clear and tangible. I say we do it.

third generation American wrote:

Most white Americans are not descended from slave owners, expecting them to pay reparations based on the color of their skin is racist.

This.

The whole idea of reparations suggests the liberal mindset that money just appears out of nowhere and nobody is penalized by taxation.

[quote]Sayer of "This" wrote:

[quote]third generation American wrote:

The whole idea of reparations suggests the liberal mindset that money just appears out of nowhere

The Fed does create money out of nowhere and is not subject to being audited.