I think I've crossed the line. I don't care whether she doped or not. I've lost interest in distance athletics since it's become so hard to tell who is clean and who isn't.
When's the horse racing on?
I think I've crossed the line. I don't care whether she doped or not. I've lost interest in distance athletics since it's become so hard to tell who is clean and who isn't.
When's the horse racing on?
Something Fishy wrote:
So she is saying, thank goodness europeans conquered and oppressed us , otherwise I wouldn't have Jesus and would be left only to training? Gold medal and WR for Jesus!
Ethiopia was never conquered by Europeans, and Christianity was there long before European colonialism arrived in Africa. But I understand, history is really hard.
I will not say she is clean or dirty. I will say it was really nice seeing a 10k race were everyone did not hold back to let the 1500m runner out kick them at the end.
Her time seems suspect but for 20-30 years everyone seems to be holding back for the finish.
Dafuq wrote:
"Kenyans winning the hurdles in amazing times and even the javelin"
How many Kenyans have won those events this year? I didn't know Kenyans wernt allowed to do shorter distances either? And I'm surprised it's taken so long for a Kenyan to be in the jav that's the way a lot of them hunt lol
LOL (Laughing out loud)
You must have a specific somatotype to compete in the javelin. And they DO NOT HAVE IT. In fact, the presence of Yego among top world javelin throwers is approximately as probable as the presence of some North European woman. Have you ever seen a woman competing with the best javelin throwers?
Your position is quite reasonable but it is different than a lot of the other knee jerk "she must be doping" responses. Some people are acting as if Molly Huddle is the true champion. The GOAT was hyperbole but some people really think that everyone else was cheating besides Huddle.
If your position is that every WR in distance running is inherently suspect now, I would agree. I would also add that every WR from about 1975 on is suspect. There was no out of competition testing then and we know that drugs were available. And I would add that it is not just WRs that are suspect. Molly Huddle's time is suspicious too.
If your position is that we have reasons to suspect runners from every country, I would agree. I was reacting to the view on this message board that Ethiopians are particularly suspect (when a few years ago, the position on this board seemed to be that Ethiopians had inherent genetic and cultural advantages that explained their performance). There is a good reason to suspect Ethiopians because of lax testing. However, there is also good reason to think that the best runners will come from Ethiopia. And you can come up with a story as to why Americans might be more suspect (history of high-tech doping that is never picked up--Lance; tons of resources to cheat in more subtle ways).
In the end, the sport is screwed. We know Jim Ryun wasn't doping because it wasn't available. And we know Kip Keino wasn't for the same reason. But--if doping was around back then--Ryun's 3:51 at age 19 and Keino's 3:36 at altitude--would have immediately been suspect.
Vivian herself has obliterated her PB by a huge margin so she has no grounds to question Ayana's time. Remember she is just 1s off the old WR.
consider this wrote:
To the atheists who value moral behavior, you know what a great thing about God is? He sees right past all the bull that people say and judges righteously based on the heart as reflected by their actions.
Any (alleged) supernatural being that (allegedly) provides rules on how to treat one's slaves is not a useful guide to morality.
Almaz Ayana - her name means "diamond spirit" - her race came from a diamond spirit
cleans wrote:
I think I've crossed the line. I don't care whether she doped or not. I've lost interest in distance athletics since it's become so hard to tell who is clean and who isn't.
When's the horse racing on?
And, of course, there wouldn't be any doping in horse races.
And now a world championship win with no prior racing. Outstanding.
Who knows if she is dirty or just extremely talented.
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