BAA Athletes Run Fast Times at High Street Mile. Men 3:58 Women 4:27

I hadn't heard of Kameron but Emily had a a really good career at Villanova. The Newburyport event is a nice take.

Yeah it is. I think they both took home $1100. Maybe more since they give out bonuses for leading through the 1/4 and 1/2 mile marks.

Gotta be downhill, right? Kameron Ullmer's 1500 pr isn't much faster than that

I've run in the past and remember is being flat. Maybe a very slight downhill towards the end. My guess is course is slightly short or they had a tailwind.

Pat Fullerton ran 3:58 there a couple years ago and his track PRs are 3:47 and 4:05

Looking forward to this event again! Last year they flew. This course is USATF certified and only 6 meters net drop - more flat than the 5th avenue mile. In fact , it used to be even flatter than it currently is prior to 2014 when the start and finish lines were adjusted. 2013 and earlier it had a net drop of only 4 meters.

As to how they ran so fast last year - really good running and I'd imagine a tail wind. Always has to be remembered in a point to point race.

A net drop of 6 meters is pretty negligible over a mile! :)

6 meters per mile - that's a "net" drop = 3.73 m/km. Even though we are not talking about records (besides course records), USATF/IAAF only permits a net drop greater then 1 m/km. The Boston Marathon is less then this.

True! Boston marathon is about the same per km. But the Boston Marathon many years runs slower than many net flat marathons.

I imagine High street 2014 onward would run a hair slower than the 5th avenue mile. Perhaps by about a second. That's a race that a lot of the elites run, so should give a good sense!

Kameron Ulmer is Emma Bates partner.

I do recall reading this as well.

If anyone is skeptical about this course, I would point to the 2014 and 2015 results men and women a like! Some strong runners who would've flown if this course was short or significantly down hill. Just makes last year's times even more impressive

Well I have to say - it was another fast and highly competitive race again this year! The conditions were nice... But it does put into perspective how flukey good last years results were! Tailwind or not! You could walk away wondering what happened in 2016.

Today's winners were Daniel Winn in 4:01 (Season best 3:39 1500) Rachel Schneider in 4:35 (Season best 4:25 mile). Runner ups were last years champ Kameron Ulmer who ran 4:06 (who ran 3:58 last year) and Katarina Coogan in 4:37 (season best 4:34 mile).

What a nice event, I think road miles should be more common! They changed the High Street course in 2014, which yes probably makes it now run just a little bit faster than it used to back when I was still competing and ran the course... But even still, it's very flat overall! Seeing the quality field that showed up and ran hard out there today bears that out! Point to point fast and flat road miles rare but they sure are fun and highly inclusive. The whole family can join in and participate. Who knows, maybe I'll actually hop in the race again next year instead of being a fan.

Given today's the 5th avenue mile, I was searching for how people thought various road miles compared to track miles. Having done High Street back in 2012/2013 I thought it ran pretty close to exactly the same as a track time wise. There were no hills (up or down) on the course. The course map will tell you that there was a slight U shape to that course elevation wise, but it's not perceivable when running. I know they changed the course, so I guess the course probably runs a bit faster than a track now.

5th Avenue on the other hand, does have points in which you notice that you're climbing or dropping. The net effect on time I got the impression, varied depending on the effectiveness of your strategy. I think if run with ideal energy expenditure, the course seems to run perhaps runs a bit faster than a track. But if you fight too hard up the hills, I think it can actually be slower than a track despite a net drop.

Of course on any point to point course, if there's a tailwind in a given year or a head wind, it will shift times a little further one way or another.

Actually - it is 3.1 m drop per km or 5 meters drop. Not 4 or 6. At least least the post 2013 course. 2013 and earlier was pancake flat.