Payton Jordan Invitational - analysis on every runner and race (distance)

Here are the Men & Women's 1500m races (top 2 sections):

Mens 1500m Section 1

_______NAME__________ TEAM_______realTime_adj_Time___Gain

1_Izaic_Yorks________Washington_______3:37.74__3:36.07__01.67

2_Henrik_Ingebrigtsen Jrs_Sports_M______3:38.33__3:35.52__02.81

3_Evan_Jager_______Nike/Bowerman_TC_3:38.67__3:36.50__02.17

4_bryan_cantero_____Nike_____________3:38.84__3:37.01__01.83

5_John_Gregorek____Asics_-_N.J._N.Y___3:39.70__3:36.85__02.85

6_Blake_Haney______Oregon__________3:40.46__3:39.17__01.29

7_Jordan_Gusman___Posso_Sports______3:40.47__3:38.79__01.68

8_Mo_Ahmed_______Nike_Bowerman_TC_3:42.93__3:39.91__03.02

9_Dan_Huling_______Nike_Btc__________3:43.43__3:40.12__03.31

10_Ford_Palmer_____Hoka_-_N.J._N.Y.___3:44.01__3:40.68__03.33

11_Lopez_Lomong___Nike/Bowerman_TC__3:50.78__3:43.62__07.16

Men's 1500m Section 2

____NAME_________ TEAM__________ realTime__adj_Time__Gain

1_Sam_Prakel________Oregon__________3:40.84__3:40.04__00.80

2_Oliver_Aitchison_____Adams_State_____3:42.18__3:40.62__01.56

3_Daniel_Winn________Baa____________ 3:42.36__3:40.49__01.87

4_Josh_Kerr__________New_Mexico______3:42.39__3:41.22__01.17

5_Michael_Atchoo_____N.J._N.Y._T.C._____3:42.56__3:40.93__01.63

6_Thomas_Riva_______Unattached_______3:42.61__3:41.59__01.02

7_Diego_Estrada______Asics____________3:42.68__3:41.11__01.57

8_Neil_Gourley_______Virginia_Tech______3:42.70__3:40.77__01.93

9_Dusty_Solis________Big_Bear_Tc/______3:43.39__3:41.78__01.61

10_Staffan_Ek________Huddinge_Ais_____3:43.62__3:42.13__01.49

11_Graham_Crawford__North_Carolina_St._3:43.68__3:42.71__00.97

12_Liam_Boylan-Pett___N.J._N.Y._T.C._____3:51.10__3:45.85__05.25

Women's 1500m Section 1

______NAME______________ TEAM________ realTime adj__Time__Gain

1_Linden_Hall___________Wolfpack_TC_____4:04.47__3:59.17__05.30

2_Gabriela_Stafford______Toronto__________4:07.91__4:03.35__04.56

3_Lauren_Johnson_________Unattached_____4:08.18__4:04.57__03.61

4_Hilary_Stellingwerff___Speed_River________4:08.80__4:02.04__06.76

5_Cory_McGee_________New_Balance______4:09.38__4:05.59__03.79

6_Morgan_Uceny_________Adidas__________4:09.75__4:06.06__03.69

7_Shelby_Houlihan_____Nike/Bowerman_TC__4:09.82__4:05.27__04.55

8_Nikki_Hamblin_________Unattached_______4:10.11__4:06.24__03.87

9_Ingvill_Makestad_Bovim_Jrs_Sports_M______4:10.23__4:05.88__04.35

10_Muriel_Coneo_Paredes__Equipo_Porvenir_4:11.38__4:05.61__05.77

11_Melissa_Courtney______Unattached______4:13.80__4:10.25__03.55

12_Greta_Feldman______N.J._N.Y._T.C._____4:17.60__4:11.94__05.66

13_Lauren_Wallace_______ Oiselle_________4:20.37__4:13.50__06.87

Women's 1500m Section 2

________NAME________TEAM________ realTime__adj_Time__Gain

1_Christina_Aragon____Unattached_______4:11.24__4:07.60__03.64

2_Sara_Sutherland_____Saucony________4:12.43__4:08.90__03.53

3_Anna_Maxwell_______Washington______4:12.62__4:09.22__03.40

4_Phoebe_Wright______Nike____________4:12.62__4:08.87__03.75

5_Shannon_Osika______Michigan________4:13.43__4:10.51__02.92

6_Sophie_Connor______New_Mexico_____4:14.03__4:11.54__02.49

7_Stephanie_Schappert_Hoka_-_N.J._N.Y.__4:14.17__4:10.78__03.39

8_Caroline_King_______Puma___________4:15.10__4:11.71__03.39

9_Laura_Roesler______Nike____________4:17.99__4:14.47__03.52

10_Jessica_Tonn______Brooks_Beasts____4:20.89__4:15.72__05.17

11_Rebecca_Mehra____Stanford_________4:21.19__4:14.00__07.19

I hate everything about his post.

Why not have everybody just run time trials on their local tracks and then compile the results?

It's better to run 3:40 and win than run 3:38 and lose.

5000s and 10000s in a bit (dinnertime)...

Also, I'm familiar with the quote, bold, and italics commands. Are there any commands for making or formatting tables?

Eradicator wrote:

I hate everything about his post.

Why not have everybody just run time trials on their local tracks and then compile the results?

It's better to run 3:40 and win than run 3:38 and lose.

dude chill. Nothing in the post said 3:38 and losing is better than 3:40 and winning. Everything that you hate about this post you made up in your head

Op: what do you predict for this 1500 time:

400@62, 800@2:08, 1200@3:13, 1500@ 4:10

That was my pr (ran it once that season, was an 800m runner). I really went for broke through 1200m, just trying to hang on as long as possible, since I wasn't sure my fitness level. Obviously I went out a little too hard. I've always thought I was about 4:00 shape.

That was freshman year of college and I never ran a 1500 or mile again.

stats.gangsta_the_real_1 wrote:

a pace optimizer )

WTF is this?

Interesting concept. But when I look at the women's 1500m section 1, what I see, all the way down the line, is adjustments to times that range from extremely optimistic to flat out fantasy in relation to the capabilities of the runners.

When I check the lap splits for the race, this perception is confirmed by the experienced-based intuition that you are imputing too much of an improvement from actual race pace to hypothetical steady pace.

Plz include Ella Donaghu, HS distance phenom and Stanford recruit, in your calculations.

stats.gangsta_the_real_1 wrote:

5000s and 10000s in a bit (dinnertime)...

Also, I'm familiar with the quote, bold, and italics commands. Are there any commands for making or formatting tables?

Not really but if you put the times in the left column it will line up better

Men's 5000m Section 1

_____NAME_____________ TEAM________ realTime__adj_Time__Gain

1_shadrack_kipchirchir__US_Army_Wcap___13:18.52__13:06.37__12.15

2_Andrew_Butchart_____ Unattached_______13:18.96__13:08.91__10.05

3_David_Torrence_____Hoka_One_One____13:19.42__13:09.17__10.25

4_Sam_McEntee_________ Melbourne_Tr___13:20.72__13:11.20__09.52

5_Stephen_Sambu_______ Nike___________13:21.14__13:04.54__16.60

6_Garrett_Heath_______ Brooks_Beasts____13:23.06__13:14.04__09.02

7_Sean_McGorty________ Stanford________13:24.25__13:17.53__06.72

8_leonard_korir_______ Unattached_______13:25.35__13:17.48__07.87

9_Patrick_Tiernan_____ Villanova_________13:25.78__13:15.49__10.29

10_Justyn_Knight______ Syracuse________13:27.23__13:21.80__05.43

11_Donn_Cabral________ Nike___________13:29.87__13:22.89__06.98

12_Thomas_Curtin______ Virginia_Tech____13:33.88__13:22.65__11.23

13_Reed_Connor________ N.J._N.Y._T.C.___13:38.78__13:31.86__06.92

14_Dennis_Licht_______ Knapp-Messch____13:39.26__13:23.79__15.47

15_Jeff_See________ Asics_Furman_Elite___13:39.47__13:31.05__08.42

16_Chris_Derrick____ Nike_Bowerman_TC__13:40.91__13:33.68__07.23

17_Florian_Orth_______ Germany_________13:41.46__13:25.45__16.01

18_Sindre_Buraas_____ Ready___________13:43.51__13:34.91__08.60

Men's 5000m Section 2

______NAME___________TEAM_________realTime__adj_Time___Gain

1_Charles_Philibert_Thibou__Asics_Canada_13:33.25__13:22.68__10.57

2_Tsegay_Tuemay______ Posso_Sports____13:33.58__13:26.50__07.08

3_Morgan_McDonald_____Wisconsin______13:34.78__13:26.59__08.19

4_Ross_Proudfoot_____Speed_River______13:36.53__13:28.76__07.77

5_Cory_Leslie__________Nike___________13:38.36__13:30.67__07.69

6_Abbabiya_Simbassa_Team_Usa_Minn____13:38.86__13:34.35__04.51

7_Grant_Fisher____________ Stanford_____13:39.42__13:29.17__10.25

8_Peter_Corrigan__Running_Room_Canada_13:39.98__13:34.76__05.22

9_Jack_Keelan_________Stanford_________13:46.95__13:43.31__03.64

10_Alex_Monroe______Boulder_Track_Club_13:47.33__13:43.02__04.31

11_Kirubel_Erassa_____Atlanta_Track_Club_13:51.02__13:34.95__16.07

12_Jake_Leingang_______Oregon_________13:51.80__13:47.74__04.06

13_Marc_Scott__________Tulsa__________13:53.19__13:46.42__06.77

14_Kevin_Batt________Melbourne_Tr______13:53.65__13:47.77__05.88

15_Dorian_Ulrey________Brooks_Beasts____13:55.44__13:42.00__13.44

16_Jonathan_Peterson___Team_Usa_MN____13:56.37__13:47.26__09.11

17_Jonathan_Grey________ Adidas_______13:59.91__13:49.50__10.41

18_Erik_Olson__________Unattached______14:06.11__13:52.59__13.52

19_Tom_Lancashire_____New_Balance_____14:10.23__13:55.34__14.89

20_Joe_Stilin________Zap_Fitness/Reebok__14:11.02__13:52.48__18.54

Anuther dwun runer wrote:

Op: what do you predict for this 1500 time:

400@62, 800@2:08, 1200@3:13, 1500@ 4:10

That was my pr (ran it once that season, was an 800m runner). I really went for broke through 1200m, just trying to hang on as long as possible, since I wasn't sure my fitness level. Obviously I went out a little too hard. I've always thought I was about 4:00 shape.

That was freshman year of college and I never ran a 1500 or mile again.

Without decimal accuracy,

57,62,66,65 (did I do these correctly?)

gives me -> 4:04.6

The ward wrote:

stats.gangsta_the_real_1 wrote:

a pace optimizer

WTF is this?

Enter your lap splits and this will tell you what you could have run with better pacing.

the sands wrote:

Interesting concept. But when I look at the women's 1500m section 1, what I see, all the way down the line, is adjustments to times that range from extremely optimistic to flat out fantasy in relation to the capabilities of the runners.

When I check the lap splits for the race, this perception is confirmed by the experienced-based intuition that you are imputing too much of an improvement from actual race pace to hypothetical steady pace.

Well....good science > "experienced-based intuition" :p

For example, this runner ran a 1500m in 3:34.18 with these splits:

38.97, 53.28, 61.51, 60.42

The optimizer shows that person could have run 3:26.89. Is that really "extremely optimistic" or "flat out fantasy" in relation to the capabilities of that runner?

Yeah I was thinking that some of the guys in the 2nd and 3rd heats of the 5k ran really poorly paced races. For some reason both heats had very fast splits for 600m-1000m. A lot of guys ran 62-63 for that 400 split, and I even saw one guy with a 61. I also saw Sambu went out in 28 for the first 200 only to slow all the way down to 68 on his 3rd lap

Good start, but this calculator doesn't take into account the benefits gained through drafting off of runners in front of you, the changing wind velocity and direction during the race, as well as ignoring the fact that during the race not every lap is actually covered by running exactly 400 meters. (For example, a runner may run on the outside of lane 1 for the first lap due to traffic before being able to move into the inside of lane 1 for subsequent laps, he would then run a few meters more to cover that first lap)

Women's 5000m Section 1

_____NAME___________ TEAM_________ realTime__adj_Time__Gain

1_Sally_Kipyego_____Nike_Otc__________14:58.60__14:49.75__08.85

2_Nicole_Tully______Hoka-NYAC_________15:04.08__14:52.88__11.20

3_Maureen_Koster____Unattached________15:07.20__15:02.25__04.95

4_Laura_Whittle_____Brooks____________ 15:08.58__14:59.16__09.42

5_Eilish_McColgan___Unattached_________15:09.94__15:01.65__08.29

6_Kim_Conley________New_Balance______15:12.73__15:00.53__12.20

7_Lauren_Paquette___Brooks/Breakaway__15:14.45__15:05.54__08.91

8_Stephanie_Garcia__New_Balance_______15:16.56__15:06.56__10.00

9_Misaki_Onishi_____Sekisui_Kagaku_____15:24.10__15:12.66__11.44

10_Maren_Kock_______Germany_________15:24.73__15:07.28__17.45

11_Rochelle_Kanuho__Naz_Elite_________15:27.67__15:13.09__14.58

12_Beth_Potter______Unattached________15:28.32__15:15.94__12.38

13_Laura_Thweatt___Boulder_Track_Club__15:28.93__15:11.92__17.01

14_kate_avery_______Unattached________15:29.02__15:16.52__12.50

15_Emily_Sisson_____New_Balance_______15:32.51__15:22.86__09.65

16_Jessica_O'Connell__Asics____________15:33.33__15:23.10__10.23

17_Louise_Carton____Belgium___________15:35.82__15:27.45__08.37

18_Calli_Thackery___New_Mexico________15:37.44__15:23.69__13.75

19_Amy_Van_Alstine__Naz_Elite__________15:41.95__15:27.11__14.84

20_Jen_Rhines_______Baa_____________15:45.94__15:33.78__12.16

21_Liv_Westphal_____Boston_College____15:56.38__15:41.65__14.73

22_Alisha_Williams__adidas_Rme________15:58.82__15:29.56__29.26

Women's 5000m Section 2

____NAME____________ TEAM___________realTime__adj_Time__Gain

1_Jessica_Tebo______Unattached_________15:31.42__15:22.06__09.36

2_Andrea_Seccafien__Toronto____________15:31.67__15:20.50__11.17

3_Sasha_Gollish_____Toronto____________15:35.16__15:26.68__08.48

4_Genevieve_LaCaze__Melbourne_Tr______15:41.33__15:30.37__10.96

5_Vanessa_Fraser____Stanford___________15:41.64__15:37.02__04.62

6_Kaitlin_Goodman___Strava_TC_________15:43.28__15:35.99__07.29

7_Margherita_Magnani__Unattached_______15:43.78__15:32.47__11.31

8_Sarah_Inglis______Unattached_________15:48.66__15:36.89__11.77

9_Brenda_Flores_____Corre_AC_MX______15:48.71__15:34.93__13.78

10_Alycia_Cridebring__Sra_Elite__________15:48.74__15:39.47__09.27

11_Elise_Cranny______Stanford__________15:49.27__15:39.93__09.34

12_Katie_Knight_____Washington_________15:52.70__15:39.77__12.93

13_Anne_Beck________Strava_TC_______15:54.07__15:40.99__13.08

14_Nicol_Traynor______N.J._N.Y._T.C._____15:54.91__15:43.12__11.79

15_Mel_Lawrence_____Oiselle___________15:55.52__15:41.92__13.60

16_Laura_Hottenrott_____Unattached_____15:55.87__15:46.81__09.06

17_Molly_Grabill_______Oregon__________16:00.01__15:49.93__10.08

18_Bri_Felnagle________Adidas_________16:14.46__16:04.67__09.79

19_Sandie_Raines______Texas___________16:24.31__16:05.22__19.09

20_Stephanie_Brown______Nike_________16:32.84__15:58.99__33.85

21_Regan_Rome_____William_and_Mary__16:34.65__15:57.63__37.02

Donaghu for Oregon HS gir GOAT wrote:

Plz include Ella Donaghu, HS distance phenom and Stanford recruit, in your calculations.

+1

Donaghu for Oregon HS gir GOAT wrote:

Plz include Ella Donaghu, HS distance phenom and Stanford recruit, in your calculations.

Sure, can you tell me what event she did? (or I'll do it this afternoon when I have time to search for her)

The 1500

stats.gangsta_the_real_1 wrote:

Donaghu for Oregon HS gir GOAT wrote:

Plz include Ella Donaghu, HS distance phenom and Stanford recruit, in your calculations.

Sure, can you tell me what event she did? (or I'll do it this afternoon when I have time to search for her)

HardLoper wrote:

stats.gangsta_the_real_1 wrote:

Also, I'm familiar with the quote, bold, and italics commands. Are there any commands for making or formatting tables?

Not really but if you put the times in the left column it will line up better

Thanks

Is there any way to convince the letsrun owners to add this feature to their post commands? Is there a list of commands somewhere? I thought this might be BBcode but doesn't look like it.