Are any descendants of slaves in America East African?

kipjohnson wrote:

I read that some of Ben Carson's enslaved ancestors were Turkana, a Nilotic tribe closely related to the Kalenjin. Are a significant number of black Americans descendants of East Africa? Could we have more talented distance runners in our midst than it seems?

I doubt there would be a significant number, but there would be a few. The slave trade was alive and well in Africa for thousands of years, Tribal warfare was part of daily life in Africa. The victors win slaves. The losers become slaves. It's doubtful that great numbers of captives would have made it all the way to the western coast of Africa. By the time the Portuguese began exporting slaves across the Atlantic, most African kings would have been poaching neighboring tribes for human cargo. The task of transporting prisoners all the way from East Africa would have been daunting to say the least.

Why would you need to transport people who are the greatest runners on Earth?

Ghana I believe or perhaps Cote D'Ivoire

I think Malmo is right. The Atlantic slave trade was very heavily biased towards West Africa: Senegambia, the Bight of Benin, the Congo. But if you check out this interactive map, which shows every single slave-ship voyage to the New World, you'll occasionally see a ship from Madagascar:

It's not hard to believe that some slaves from Kenya would have ended up down there, and thence to the New World.

The Arab slave trade, on the other hand, caught up many East Africans:

It's certainly possible. Only something like 5-10% of slaves came to North America, while the vast majority were sent to Arab lands. When most

Westerners think of the "slave trade" they think of the Atlantic slave trade. The reason there isn't a strong East African presence in the Mid-East is due to the fact that slaves were not allowed to reproduce and once they outwore their usefulness they were simply executed. It would make sense that most of the Middle/Near Eastern slaves came from North and East Africa.

When kingdoms in Africa defeated neighboring peoples, they took many of them on as slaves. It is certainly feasible that West Africans (Nubians, etc.), sold people from East Africa who were *already slaves* to Atlantic traders.

As an interesting aside, it is estimated that over one million Southern Europeans were stolen by Muslim slave traders; this was a huge problem among southern coastal cities. Additionally, until ~1500 most slaves came from Northern Europe, most notably Ireland.

Actually many of them came from Slavic lands, thus the name. Of course Irish were part of it, but you might be hard pressed to find any significant population that was totally immune to being enslaved.

The expansion of the Ottoman empire really disrupted the trade was between Western and Eastern Europe. Combined with advanced in navigation, which allowed increased European expansion and influence into Western Africa, shifted the focus to there.

There was probably also some (not to overstate it too much) moral qualms beginning to take hold in terms of Christians enslaving other Christians. The ability to shift the "enslaved" to black Africans (who were able to be portrayed as Other even if some of them were Christians) probably extended the duration of slavery in the West by several centuries.

Stagger Lee wrote:

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As an interesting aside, it is estimated that over one million Southern Europeans were stolen by Muslim slave traders; this was a huge problem among southern coastal cities. Additionally, until ~1500 most slaves came from Northern Europe, most notably Ireland.

There's something terribly egregious about prefacing a discussion in this topic with the phrase "as an interesting aside ...".

Things would be a lot more peaceful in Brazil and America if slaves had not been imported.

Where East African slaves wound up was the Middle East/North Africa, where large numbers of Malawian, Tanzanian, and Kenyan slaves were taken in the Arab slave trade on the East Coast of Africa from at least the 14th century to the 19th century.

The U.S. was not a frontrunner in ridding the world of slavery by any stretch of the imagination, unless you consider the provision in the United States Constitution ending the foreign slave trade in 1808. The British Empire sought to end slavery from around the latter date and so far, far in advance of the United States precisely because of resistance from the American South.

No, but many East Africans were shipped as slaves to the Middle East and even India and Sri Lanka.

There are still many black Saudis, black Iraqis, and black Omanis, and they're known as "Zanj" - the Arabic word for the Swahili-speaking coast of East Africa. Many talented Middle Eastern runners are descended from Zanj slaves.

The Siddis of India are also of East African descent.

derp wrote:

exthrower wrote:

And another interesting side note is that over 50% of today's African Americans are not descended from slaves.

Interesting because it's not even remotely true. Enjoy your racism. :)

Nothing he said was racist. You are imagining and manufacturing racism. What's worse is that you are smiling about racism. That's disgusting.

kipjohnson wrote:

I read that some of Ben Carson's enslaved ancestors were Turkana, a Nilotic tribe closely related to the Kalenjin. Are a significant number of black Americans descendants of East Africa? Could we have more talented distance runners in our midst than it seems?

Ben Carson is a pathological liar. And he is ignorant. There were never any Turkana slaves

herod wrote:

kipjohnson wrote:

I read that some of Ben Carson's enslaved ancestors were Turkana, a Nilotic tribe closely related to the Kalenjin. Are a significant number of black Americans descendants of East Africa? Could we have more talented distance runners in our midst than it seems?

Ben Carson is a pathological liar. And he is ignorant. There were never any Turkana slaves

Yes, no slave trader would have made it out of North Western Kenya alive. Heck, it's still the wild west there even now. Someone get a real Turkana like Paul Ereng to tell Ben Carson off.

But I'm American, I'm east Africa, and ironically Kenyan Tanzania and Uganda. That means that they couldn't have just been in the middle east.

But I'm American, I'm east Africa, and ironically Kenyan Tanzania and Uganda. That means that they couldn't have just been in the middle east.

I am American, descendant of the Baluba people that covered the Congo and many east African places, one important thing, most of the Europe dominated slave trade of Africans from east Africa were classified as Angolan slaves, the Arabic slave trade came together with the European countries because of trading in the Middle East, as a result, in the late 1700s the Africans found out that the people were being taking from the land which weren’t what they knew of, and it was not a sale of people if so how rich would they have been or they would not have subjected their own people as was the case 90% of the time, their positions was against the ruling families only because of war, it was not against the people they needed to conquer because tribes increased in that fashion, as a result, wars start against Europeans and Arabic when the issue became known, so Arabic became the Captures and European became the buyers, if you look at the many anti-slavery movements that were hidden by Europe for years, they classified many Arabic people there as African Muslims to keep the “selling their own” a live! The Baluba were pushed south to the Congo area a long time before the upemba issue, but it was because of wars, they originally were Shulammite from northern Ethiopia, they went south and united tribes and were successful until the late 1800s. As a result, most of the Arabic were considered Kiswahili people (Muslim) and they conquer Swahili lands. So, if you study the Angolan slave trade, which was meant to be confused for the very reason to keep it going even illegally after slavery with illegal slave ships coming to America and all over the world.

I know there are many in the Caribbean, especially in Haiti and the Dominican Republic. I myself was surprised to see through a DNA ancestry test that I am descendants of Kenyan and Sierra Leone slaves. I am a little surprised because they say the Haitians where I was born come more from West Africa and yet the tests of all my family and those of many families I know re in Haiti reveal they are from Kenya. I was originally born in Haiti but live in the United stated as a naturalized citizen - so my whole family. ever since we know we are from this country we search the net come up with unfortunately nothing. Please anybody with info about Kenya slave trade let us know my email

PRINCEPRINCE1973@YAHOO.COM

We plain to visit but do not know how to start , they say our American passports will not enough

Debunked nonsense pedaled to justify American slavery.

From an Irish man who has studied my country’s history, stop distorting our history to justify your own prejudice.