12xmile with 60 seconds rest

4 or 5x5000 is a typical marathon workout.

I'd say pretty close, but it would be better training to run longer reps. The stress accumulated over a mile at marathon pace is not very much, so there is no need to break it up if youre trying to adapt for the marathon.

I used to run 8-10 x mile or 4-5 x 2 mile under marathon pace close to half-marathon pace with 1:00 rest for miles and 2:00 for two miles. I was also a big fan of 10 mile progression runs starting a little slower than marathon pace (10-20s) and finishing at half-marathon pace.

Alan

Yuip wrote:

4 or 5x5000 is a typical marathon workout.

I'd say pretty close, but it would be better training to run longer reps. The stress accumulated over a mile at marathon pace is not very much, so there is no need to break it up if youre trying to adapt for the marathon.

Agree!

I like to do 10xMile at half marathon pace, or better yet 5x2 or 3x3.

At marathon pace the frequent breaks in rhythm are really not necessary or beneficial, are they?

young master wrote:

Yuip wrote:

4 or 5x5000 is a typical marathon workout.

I'd say pretty close, but it would be better training to run longer reps. The stress accumulated over a mile at marathon pace is not very much, so there is no need to break it up if youre trying to adapt for the marathon.

Agree!

I like to do 10xMile at half marathon pace, or better yet 5x2 or 3x3.

At marathon pace the frequent breaks in rhythm are really not necessary or beneficial, are they?

This workout is actually at HMP/threshold/tempo pace, whatever you like to call it. Certainly not a MP. And it would be the penultimate workout prior to 5 or 6 x 2miles at the same pace. So my question was how much slower would goal marathon pace be if you could comfortably complete the workout, relatively speaking.

Chicago2015 wrote:

I was debating with a buddy on how the pacing of this workout would translate to marathon pace. Assuming the workout is run fairly comfortably, meaning you could run at least one or two more, how much slower would you anticipate MP to be?

I would be shocked to learn that a lot of people would find doing this workout at HM to be pretty doable.

Despite what people want, there is no one workout that is going to tell you how fast you can race pretty much any distance. It is just too easy to up the intensity level during workouts and race them rather than workout.

I misunderstood.

I would use a running calculator to convert your projected halfmarathon pace to the marathon. 10x1600 at 5:00 would be 65:30ish, to a 2:17-2:18 marathon.

It totally depends on the athlete and how well you're prepared.

When you're in ideal marathon shape, your marathon pace is a very high percentage of your LT pace, but your LT is not quite as high as it could be (or as it was 6-8 weeks earlier). I did that exact workout this spring. At the time I was in excellent HM shape and I would probably have fallen apart if I'd tried a full marathon. Yet before my marathon PR, I wouldn't have been able to do that workout at the speed I did it in the spring. Not a chance.

I'd say 15-20 seconds per mile slower.

Chicago2015 wrote:

I was debating with a buddy on how the pacing of this workout would translate to marathon pace. Assuming the workout is run fairly comfortably, meaning you could run at least one or two more, how much slower would you anticipate MP to be?

This is a dumb question. It is not a good work-out for marathon distance, nor is it a good indicator of marathon performance.

Debate topics of higher importance with your buddy, and society will reap a marginally higher benefit than the nil you have presented.

20 sec per mile faster than marathon pace.

This assumes you are doing the proper training for a marathon.