Another Galen Rupp Teammate Speaks Out!

I have mixed thoughts on that.

He is defending Rupp on the basis that Rupp put in the hard work and long hours. But isn't that the whole point of doping? Doping allows your body to recover and put in that extra work. So saying Rupp put in the work isn't really a good defense against doping. I don't think even his accusers doubt the work he put in.

On the other hand, He makes a good point Rupp was a tremendous talent the first time he stepped on the track. Like him or not, we can objectively state as fact that Rupp was a special talent before he ever met Salazar. When you start from that baseline, then add the fact that he got the highest quality coaching for 12 years running, then I don't think any of his performances are that questionable. That is one reason, among others, that the allegations just don't add up.

The list of runners as talented, and more talented, than Rupp is a long one. I can't think of who managed to have injury-free careers doing exceptionally hard workouts, especially post-race workouts. Add to that the heath issues Rupp has, and he doesn't pass the smell test.

So, Rupp is an "anomaly" who just so happens to train with other "anomalies" who all happen to be coached by someone studies athlete's blood charts, and knows what drug should be prescribed to make the athlete better.

Talent Ed wrote:

The list of runners as talented, and more talented, than Rupp is a long one. I can't think of who managed to have injury-free careers doing exceptionally hard workouts, especially post-race workouts. Add to that the heath issues Rupp has, and he doesn't pass the smell test.

So, Rupp is an "anomaly" who just so happens to train with other "anomalies" who all happen to be coached by someone studies athlete's blood charts, and knows what drug should be prescribed to make the athlete better.

I get it -since knowledge is power------ just knowing what drugs his 'abnormalities' should take makes them better and therefore there is no need to take those drugs.

Talent Ed wrote:

The list of runners as talented, and more talented, than Rupp is a long one. I can't think of who managed to have injury-free careers doing exceptionally hard workouts, especially post-race workouts. Add to that the heath issues Rupp has, and he doesn't pass the smell test.

So, Rupp is an "anomaly" who just so happens to train with other "anomalies" who all happen to be coached by someone studies athlete's blood charts, and knows what drug should be prescribed to make the athlete better.

Can you provide this list?

I would like to see the list of how many runners ran 4:01 for a mile and 13:37 before freshman year of college, and 28:15 as a freshman in a race when you fell down on the track.

I would like to see the list too. Jager comes to mind but that's about it. At least as far as Rupp's American contemporaries. Guys like McDougal, Solinsky and Ritz are the ones who outworked Rupp for a time, and were better. But health issues eventually caught up with him. Its been well known and discussed on this board that Rupp kept his training volume relatively low over the years and focused on quality over quantity.

list reader wrote:

Talent Ed wrote:

The list of runners as talented, and more talented, than Rupp is a long one. I can't think of who managed to have injury-free careers doing exceptionally hard workouts, especially post-race workouts. Add to that the heath issues Rupp has, and he doesn't pass the smell test.

So, Rupp is an "anomaly" who just so happens to train with other "anomalies" who all happen to be coached by someone studies athlete's blood charts, and knows what drug should be prescribed to make the athlete better.

Can you provide this list?

I would like to see the list of how many runners ran 4:01 for a mile and 13:37 before freshman year of college, and 28:15 as a freshman in a race when you fell down on the track.

Talent Ed wrote:

Add to that the heath issues Rupp has

What has Garrett done to him?

list reader wrote:

Talent Ed wrote:

The list of runners as talented, and more talented, than Rupp is a long one. I can't think of who managed to have injury-free careers doing exceptionally hard workouts, especially post-race workouts. Add to that the heath issues Rupp has, and he doesn't pass the smell test.

So, Rupp is an "anomaly" who just so happens to train with other "anomalies" who all happen to be coached by someone studies athlete's blood charts, and knows what drug should be prescribed to make the athlete better.

Can you provide this list?

I would like to see the list of how many runners ran 4:01 for a mile and 13:37 before freshman year of college, and 28:15 as a freshman in a race when you fell down on the track.

Rupp was already on Salazar's special program T the time.

Talent Ed wrote:

The list of runners as talented, and more talented, than Rupp is a long one. I can't think of who managed to have injury-free careers doing exceptionally hard workouts, especially post-race workouts. Add to that the heath issues Rupp has, and he doesn't pass the smell test.

Please provide this list.

And if I'm reading your statement correctly, you are using the fact that Rupp has been injury-free as a claim to doping?

FWIW, my list of runners as talented or more talented than Rupp is a short one.

Ryun

Webb

GF

LV

Those are probably the only runners I would put in the 'more' talented category. In the 'as talented' category, I'd probably go with:

Centro

Dathan

Virgin

Pre

Nelson

Lindgren

Hunter

Ches

Jager

Chapa

In the slighly below:

Solinsky

Sage

Kimball

Hunt

Centro Sr.

Liquori

Hulst

Derrick

Fisher

Maton

In any case, Rupp is the HS record-holder by FAR (7 seconds)...

but has been outrun by:

Kennedy, Ritz, Teg, Solinsky..

Rupp is the only one of these guys to be healthy almost every year, some guys like Teg missed whole seasons and started from a slower baseline...why no suspicion?

This is a joke right? You know the world is bigger than the USA, right?

There are probably dozens (hundreds?) of Kenyans and Ethiopians who are more talented, and have run faster than 13:37 at age 18.

No matter how often that comment is repeated I still do not understand why it is made as a justification for anything.

"Rupp was a tremendous talent". Name one athlete who competes at elite levels who was never a tremendous talent. Every one of those athletes demonstrated tremendous talents from a young age. Allyson Felix first WC gold in the 200M was done at the age of 18 and she beat seasoned athletes such as Christine Aaron and VCB for the gold. It is the demonstration of such tremendous potential at a young age why athletes attempt to hone their skills.

Using this argument of tremendous talents: Candace Hill a 114/15 year old girl who ran 11.08 and 22:43 for the youth championships have just demonstrated off the wall tremendous talent. By extension she will be running around 10:00 for the 100M and 20:50 for the 200M in one to two years time.

The Dingo^3 wrote:

This is a joke right? You know the world is bigger than the USA, right?

There are probably dozens (hundreds?) of Kenyans and Ethiopians who are more talented, and have run faster than 13:37 at age 18.

And THIS ^^^ is a joke right? You are not seriously going to compare progression marks and "age" of east Africans to Americans and Europeans are you? East Africans are running at a much younger age and many more miles than typical western kid, so naturally they would be ahead of them as a teenager. It is also natural that a westerner would see more progression later than an east African. It is also asinine to use east African "ages" as marker.

I agree with the central point--Rupp should be given the benefit of the doubt.

I also think that the reason he's been healthy for so long is because of Salazar. He's taken a long term approach to his development.

I like Rupp, but I think his silver in London was his peak. I think his performances show that he's probably clean. He's really good, but can't approach WR times. I don't think anyone can without PEDs.

Same could be said for Mo. He's amazing. He's better than Rupp. But he isn't going to break the 5K or 10K WR. I think that just proves that he isn't doping like they were before the bio passport.

I am NOT claiming that they're both clean as a whistle. Just that I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Because he trained hard we should cut out asking if he has been taking drugs that permit athletes to train harder?

ok

WiT wrote:

Because he trained hard we should cut out asking if he has been taking drugs that permit athletes to train harder?

ok

Comprehension and critical thinking are not your strong points, huh?

This guys's argument is pointless. No one questions whether Galen Rupp works hard. There's no doubt that he does! However, that doesn't mean that he's not also a doper. The will to train and the will to dope are not mutually exclusive. Lance Armstrong worked extremely hard -- perhaps more so than any of his competitors -- but he still doped, too.

I'm not saying that Galen is a doper. I have no idea if he is. I'm saying it's dumb to claim that his strong work ethic somehow proves that he doesn't dope.

Justify what? The people making allegations are the ones who need to justify themselves. They support their accusations by this 'its good too be true' ratioonale around Rupp's performances. Its B.$. and I'm telling you why.

nyrun1 wrote:

No matter how often that comment is repeated I still do not understand why it is made as a justification for anything.

"Rupp was a tremendous talent". Name one athlete who competes at elite levels who was never a tremendous talent. Every one of those athletes demonstrated tremendous talents from a young age. Allyson Felix first WC gold in the 200M was done at the age of 18 and she beat seasoned athletes such as Christine Aaron and VCB for the gold. It is the demonstration of such tremendous potential at a young age why athletes attempt to hone their skills.

Using this argument of tremendous talents: Candace Hill a 114/15 year old girl who ran 11.08 and 22:43 for the youth championships have just demonstrated off the wall tremendous talent. By extension she will be running around 10:00 for the 100M and 20:50 for the 200M in one to two years time.

Dopers work hard too. In fact, thanks to the drugs, they're often able to work a lot harder than cleaner athletes.

When you're defending some doper by saying he/she works very hard, you're really at the end of the line.

"What am I on? I'm on my bike, busting my ass six hours a day"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxnqHvEbGnc

So did this list of more talented runners start before Galen was running. You just heard the guy from high school say he was the most talented. You didn't really think about that logic for very long did you?

I though Salazar discovered Rupp, and all running exploits by Rupp are attributable to Salazar's doings. Or, do fanboys really think Rupp would have done what he did in HS without Salazar's helping hands?