Robin Schembera (German 800m runner): When Anti-Doping officials come to Iten, athletes jump the fence

Just go to Iten, visit one of the pharmacies and ask what they sell there.

How many people on chemotherapy that need EPO to rebuild red blood cells do you see in Iten? And if it doesn't work on Kenyans, why are they selling it?

Outsider. wrote:

Two years ago, in Iten, some doping officials appeared at one end of the track/town and on the other side pretty much entire squads just jumped fence.

That's how you get good at the steeple! (Joking, joking).

African-Americans dominate the 110 highs. In the U.S. fences are higher and closer together.

and yet... wrote:

Outsider. wrote:

Two years ago, in Iten, some doping officials appeared at one end of the track/town and on the other side pretty much entire squads just jumped fence.

That's how you get good at the steeple! (Joking, joking).

Africans are the biggest drug cheats out there. Put away that white guilt and accept reality.

I have a question.

How does countries that allegedly have a strong anti-doping manage to catch microdosers:

Hint, they don't.

This year anti doping authorities wanted to do night time test in the Tour de France. They were barred since French

law do not allow it.

Night Time doping test are banned

Secondly, his part about doping samples being flown out of Africa ?

Since when ?.

There is a WADA accredited laboratory in S.Africa ("A WADA accredited laboratory which can also conduct blood analyses in support of the haematological module of the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP)".

But then Again, you don't need to be WADA accredited to perfrom anti doping test (There is no such lab in France, but there is one in ...Turkey, which we know is "anti doping heaven").

This is where the samples are flown. Where do you think the various cases of Kenyan positives , these past 2 years come from ?

When you hear that people like Gatlin were tested 50+ times in the last few years by one of the top agency, you understand that antidoping does not mean anything anymore.

I stand corrected, there's one in France.

gagasitak wrote:

I have a question.

How does countries that allegedly have a strong anti-doping manage to catch microdosers:

Hint, they don't.

How effective is micro-dosing versus what you could do in a much less regulated environment like what OP is describing? Not baiting, I actually genuinely don't know.

So the Africans are macrodosing and everyone else is microdosing. Seems about right, according to the results.

themanontherun wrote:

gagasitak wrote:

I have a question.

How does countries that allegedly have a strong anti-doping manage to catch microdosers:

Hint, they don't.

How effective is micro-dosing versus what you could do in a much less regulated environment like what OP is describing? Not baiting, I actually genuinely don't know.

They don't get away with that. If they show up and the athlete isn't there, it's a missed test.

But missed tests aren't publicized. An athlete can miss two in 12 months and be OK.

When facing a possible positive, running away and taking a first, and then second whereabouts failure, which no race director, sponsor and fan will know about, of course you run.

To an above point:

Renato Canova even said on here that there were no out of competition blood tests in Kenya in 2013(or 14?). It doesn't matter where blood is being sent because no blood was taken.

And we know from other BioPassport cases that there is precident for leniency for altitude natives (and hypothyroid sufferers) so even if they trip the computerized off-score, an athlete can justify it to the panel (the panel that must unanimously agree there is a case to investigate) that it is a natural fluctuation.

Jumped the fence? What does that even mean? There is no fence around Iten.

This "witness" obviously has a bone to pick, accusing people of doping based on not looking satisfactorily tired post-race.

Clerk wrote:

But missed tests aren't publicized. An athlete can miss two in 12 months and be OK.

When facing a possible positive, running away and taking a first, and then second whereabouts failure, which no race director, sponsor and fan will know about, of course you run.

And we know from other BioPassport cases that there is precident for leniency for altitude natives (and hypothyroid sufferers) so even if they trip the computerized off-score, an athlete can justify it to the panel (the panel that must unanimously agree there is a case to investigate) that it is a natural fluctuation.

Thanks, Matt.

Outsider. wrote:

He also is suspicious of other Europeans and Rudisha (for not being close to vomiting after his WR and seeming pretty unfazed).

In fact, pretty much anyone who runs faster than 1:45 (or atleast improves by 2 seconds from 1:45 to 1:43 in one year), the way it sounds like.

According to IAAF, Schembera's PR is 1:45.48. And in his mind, anyone faster than 1:45 is suspicious.

Yawn.

And really, Rudisha is dirty because he didn't throw up after his record? I have no idea if he's clean or not, but Schembera should know better than to say something that dumb.

Clerk wrote:

But missed tests aren't publicized. An athlete can miss two in 12 months and be OK.

When facing a possible positive, running away and taking a first, and then second whereabouts failure, which no race director, sponsor and fan will know about, of course you run.

To an above point:

Renato Canova even said on here that there were no out of competition blood tests in Kenya in 2013(or 14?). It doesn't matter where blood is being sent because no blood was taken.

And we know from other BioPassport cases that there is precident for leniency for altitude natives (and hypothyroid sufferers) so even if they trip the computerized off-score, an athlete can justify it to the panel (the panel that must unanimously agree there is a case to investigate) that it is a natural fluctuation.

Running away from a tester or "locking yourself in (a military base or not)" when he's there and knows that the athlete is looking for is there, is not a no show.

It is a refusal of testing (under IAAF 32.2 rule) = A 2yr automatic ban.

Once the testers make contact with the athlete, the procedure has started. If the athlete cannot be found or contacted, it is not refusal, and instead adds up to a whereabouts failure. 3 missed tests in 12 months results in a ban. A women's 400m runner, who's name eacapes me, is an example. If a tester confronts an athlete and they refuse, or break protocol, then it is a ban for refusing testing.

Mo Farah has missed two tests, by his own testimony. (In one case he was in his house, but didn't answer the door beccause he was sleeping, according to him). Still just a missed test. We would never have known if it wasn't leaked and then wrung through the media. Other athletes may have missed tests, and we will never know.

Serena Williams locked herself in a panic room when testers came. Still just a missed test, not refusal.

Chris Lukezic did make contact with testers, but having recently retired, said no. USADA didn't have the paperwork, and banned him for a refusal.

Leason learned: obfuscate, hide, and evade, and you will stay clean in the public eye.

sounds bogus wrote:

Jumped the fence? What does that even mean? There is no fence around Iten.

This "witness" obviously has a bone to pick, accusing people of doping based on not looking satisfactorily tired post-race.

You should check your facts first. He said, in German: "Vor zwei Jahren ist es in Iten in Kenia passiert, dass vorn am Camp Kontrolleure auftauchten, und hinten ist praktisch die ganze Mannschaft über den Zaun gesprungen und verschwunden."

Translation: "It happened two years ago in Iten, Kenya. The testers showed up at the gate at the front of the camp, and practically the entire squad jumped over the fence at the back and disappeared".

Here is a picture of the gate at the high altitude training centre - very effective for keeping out all sorts of intruders, including drug testers:

Querfeldein wrote:

sounds bogus wrote:

Jumped the fence? What does that even mean? There is no fence around Iten.

This "witness" obviously has a bone to pick, accusing people of doping based on not looking satisfactorily tired post-race.

You should check your facts first. He said, in German: "Vor zwei Jahren ist es in Iten in Kenia passiert, dass vorn am Camp Kontrolleure auftauchten, und hinten ist praktisch die ganze Mannschaft über den Zaun gesprungen und verschwunden."

Translation: "It happened two years ago in Iten, Kenya. The testers showed up at the gate at the front of the camp, and practically the entire squad jumped over the fence at the back and disappeared".

Here is a picture of the gate at the high altitude training centre - very effective for keeping out all sorts of intruders, including drug testers:

https://hooglandt.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/1412.jpg

Is that the front gate or the back of the University of Champions. If it's the front, how do you know there's a fence at the back?

A German whining about drug use? How about those German white boy 4x4

four hundred teams from earlier?

fred wrote:

A German whining about drug use? How about those German white boy 4x4

four hundred teams from earlier?

4 x 4 x four hundred?

[quote]Clerk wrote:

But missed tests aren't publicized. An athlete can miss two in 12 months and be OK. /quote]

You should know it's not that simple. Sure, you can miss a test. But once you have a missed test, you're flagged for more frequent out of competition testing.