How strong is the liberal anti-automobile movement in your city/town?

Just like everywhere else...nonexistent.

It's so strong that every rich liberal drives a Tesla.

It is strong enough that I have moved to within 3 miles of work and ride into the office 2-3 days a week. I enjoy the riding days when I just cruise past the long lines of traffic, through the park and through the neighborhood. I see the world at the same time scale as when I go for a run.

Smell the coffee wrote:

Just like everywhere else...nonexistent.

+1

How do you know it's a "liberal" movement?In my town the main proponent is a Marxist.

IBga wrote:

How strong is the liberal anti-automobile movement in your city/town?

Gawd you're dumb wrote:

How do you know it's a "liberal" movement?

In my town the main proponent is a Marxist.

Same spectrum of mental disorders.

Yes

every year it picks up around this time because of the weather, hangs around for a few months, gets too hot, and goes away. Another, smaller pickup in the early fall that again quickly dissipates.

people that sell bikes make a killing this time of year when stupid liberals use their parents money to buy $1k+ bikes.

Gawd you're dumb wrote:

How do you know it's a "liberal" movement?

In my town the main proponent is a Marxist.

IBga wrote:

How strong is the liberal anti-automobile movement in your city/town?

In fact, having drivers directly pay the costs associated with driving is really generally in line with traditional conservative thinking. But if you charged drivers the actual market rate for a parking space, it would somehow be a liberal anti-car move.

I'm not against cars, but any good (including road space) will be in shortage if the users don't directly pay the costs (the Highway Trust Fund is now subsidized by the general fund, so the gas tax is no longer a means for drivers to pay the full cost of the infrastructure they're using).

I don't think that one has to be anti-car to be against the fact that we now build cities to accommodate cars instead of people. There's a happy medium somewhere, and if driving is priced appropriately, that happy medium will be reached.

Well as a conservative anti-pedestrian proponent I believe . . . [brain douche] . . . and liberals!

Strong enough that they keep paving the few non-paved trails around here. Thanks trailnet St. Louis or whoever keeps doing this.

There's a difference between providing alternative routes and trails and making sure that there is a perfectly paved trail so a few people can pretend they're Lance Armstrong without as much effort or having to clean their bike chain as much.

Unfortunately these people who make their own lives their hobby and get active in local politics instead of say, having a family and/or doing some legitimate charity work. Thanks to yuppies and hipsters we have --

A concrete trail on top of the levee from Chesterfield to Creve Coeur

A paved trail along Manchester Rd. and 109

Paved part of the gravel trails at Queeny Park

Al Foster Trail from Castlewood and part of Castlewood itself covered in rolled and packed gravel (hard as a rock when it's baked) despite previously having some of the best soft trails around

Thank you yuppies and hipsters with too much time on your hand for moving out here, discovering what was wrong, and "fixing" it

On a lighter note, the shoulder of Clarkson Rd. had a bike lane painted on it. It appears that wasn't politically correct enough, so the painted bicyclist had a helmet added at some point.

not anti-car wrote:

In fact, having drivers directly pay the costs associated with driving is really generally in line with traditional conservative thinking. But if you charged drivers the actual market rate for a parking space, it would somehow be a liberal anti-car move.

I'm not against cars, but any good (including road space) will be in shortage if the users don't directly pay the costs (the Highway Trust Fund is now subsidized by the general fund, so the gas tax is no longer a means for drivers to pay the full cost of the infrastructure they're using).

How do you know that the price of driving would go up if drivers had to pay the 'market' rate versus a subsidized rate? I have to pay the real price of my new computer (among other things) every few years and that price happens to go down (even as the dollar weakens).

How do you know that limited parking spaces and infinitely long traffic jams is because users don't pay the costs? Could there be a reason C, D, E, or F as to why our transportation improvements are such a joke?

sloinnorcal wrote:

(even as the dollar weakens).

What world are you living in that the dollar has weakened?

X-Runner wrote:

What world are you living in that the dollar has weakened?

How long does your current paycheck last you compared to your first job?

How long does your scholarship money from freshman year last you compared to your scholarship money from your senior year?

IBga wrote:

How strong is the liberal anti-automobile movement in your city/town?

Really it shouldn't just be a liberal thing if that's even happening. Anyone with half a brain can figure out that cars run on petroleum and the reserves won't last forever. Once we run out of oil, that's it. The economy, food system, power generation, everything will be gone because we have built our society on a single point of failure. Unless we want to be completely screwed someday, everyone will have to break the habit of using cars for everything. Densely-populated cities in which everything of significance is fairly close together would be ideal, since it would be more practical to walk or take a bike than to drive a car.

Why are some of you conservatives so adamant about keeping everything dependent on oil? I'm a conservative myself and this just doesn't make any sense.

Gawd you're dumb wrote:

How do you know it's a "liberal" movement?

In my town the main proponent is a Marxist.

You're blonde, aren't you?

"How do you know that limited parking spaces and infinitely long traffic jams is because users don't pay the costs? Could there be a reason C, D, E, or F as to why our transportation improvements are such a joke?"

Sure it's a theory but it's a pretty well established one. Subsidies drive down prices and drive up consumption. It's reasonable to think that parking spots are like any other good, and we see prices going up when subsidies are eliminated in a bunch of other areas. An economist could explain this better I think.

In answer to OP's question, very strong. I live in Manhattan. It's great. I wish there were fewer cars.

Why is this thread left up when any thread mocking the conservative folks is taken down within an hour or so? That's so weird.

Is whining about the liberal anti-automobile movement what you people do when it's too warm to whine about the war on Xmas?