I am going to say something that I know a lot of you are thinking.

POD.

And it doesn't get any better, my friend. Hate to say it. We have effectively been priced out of the market.

Not all but a significant amount of whales up to mediocre looking women feel like a muscular tall man with decent facial qualities and a steady job is ONLY a 7 where as they're really 9 and the woman er "girl" is a 3. They see themselves at 7's since media paints ugly guys as creep gross people but any woman as amazing.

Jesus, you sound like Elliot Rodger.

Stop playing in the band where you are the fourth option and start asking women out. If you are even close to a nice guy, you will never be aggressive enough to kiss a woman at a party. You need some time one on one.

Let me help you:

A lot of factors at play here but you write a good summation.

I blame everyone: the parents, society, the media and the princesses themselves. But how is a father suppose to tell his daughter that she isn't all that great and she should settle for less-than-ideal? - yikes, that sounds like a one way ticket to the gutter.

One can only hope that it doesn't take until their early 30s to realize what really matters - if so, that's an issue of maturity. After years of rejection from the Pitts and Efrons and/or a disastrous relationship or two, they'll come around to reality - but then who wants to pick up the heavy-baggage, heavy-waistline, drama-laden aging-princess after she's been Cruise's sex-toy for two years?

We all have a lot of responsibilities, men, women, boys and girls, whether we like it or not. And we don't have unlimited shots at this game and after enough mistakes, its game over, again, whether we realize/accept it or not.

I know I harp on this a lot but the personal-responsibility effacing nature of neo-liberalism contributes to this kind of society.

No. You don't have game.

It's just the ability to talk to women and having confidence.

You don't have it.

Get it.

as a middle aged guy who has been out of the market for 25 years but for various reason has a sense of things:

You are probably picking the wrong girls to hit on. If it isn't working, widen your horizons. there are millions of very interesting women who you probably don't even consider for one reason or another. The don't run. They wear glasses. They are black/white/asian/. they have curly hair. whatever. No doubt you are dismissing a majority of women you meet without even considering them seriously.

If you are chasing after the same women that everyone else is chasing after, then you will have tough sledding. So widen your horizons. Guaranteed you know dozens if not hundreds of young women who would be happy to go out with you. Who are clicking through social networking on Sat night wishing they weren't.

and who are funny, smart, interesting and good.

Do you drink? Cause if not you should start.

Star wrote:

No. You don't have game.

It's just the ability to talk to women and having confidence.

You don't have it.

Get it.

Exactly. He is just making excuses and not admitting that HE is the problem. After reading his lame tirade, who can blame any girl for not wanting to date him.

Apparently you are not aware of the situations in Yemen, new potetial for Greek default, etc. Why would you discuss something so trivial at such a time?

Star wrote:

No. You don't have game.

It's just the ability to talk to women and having confidence.

You don't have it.

Get it.

This. Along with the other guy who said you aren't going after the right women(might be that you aren't confident enough to go after any and just expect them to fall into your lap because you "lift" and "are passionate about your degree."

You said you are below 6ft, and may not be overly attractive. You need to go after less attractive women.

My short, skinny friends are very successful with women; the problem is you. Know how I can tell? You posted multiple paragraphs whining and blaming others for your own failings. No one is obligated to have sex with you because you tick some boxes. Here is ~ the secret ~ : be confident and don't make women uncomfortable. Learn how to dress while you're at it. That's it, now have at it.

I'm thinking you're holed up in your mother's basement with a raging case of cabin fever. You might strike gold if you summon the courage to venture past the basement steps.

Carry on with your tired schtick, Mr. troll master.

I am a woman and I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but you can't blame all of womankind or feminism. In fact, I think this situation is frustrating to you but is actually worse for women. What you're describing is not feminism. In fact, it's the opposite - the enactment of traditional gender roles.

Despite the leveling of the playing field, and despite the fact that more women graduate college than men, men still make more money in the workplace and hold the highest positions in most industries. While there are many contributing factors to this situation, I think gender roles in dating and sex from a young age actually play a role.

Society expects boys to ask girls on dates, not the other way around. Boys have to go out on a limb and risk rejection from a young age. Girls are taught to be passive and wait for a guy to ask them out. Then they have a choice - yes or no. There are two consequences of this. First, despite the risk of rejection, the boy actually has more choice than the girl because he can choose to ask out whatever girl he likes. He can ask his top pick and if she says no he can go ask someone else. The girl only gets to say yes or no. Secondly, from a young age, boys learn boldness, because they have to. They cannot sit around and wait for a girl to ask them out because it won't happen. They learn to get rejected, accept it, and move on. They learn to take risks and go for things they might not get.

Later in life, in the workplace, men are much more likely to do things like ask for a raise and take risks that may not work out but may reap big rewards. Men don't fear rejection as much as women because they are practiced at it. Boss says no to the raise? Oh well, you move on. Women typically fear rejection and don't bother to even ask - as a result they don't reap potential rewards.

So your views are very much in line with feminism.

bigtool05 wrote:

Do you drink? Cause if not you should start.

POD. Lauged out loud when I read this. Getting that first hookup out of the way can be difficult particularly if you are 20+ and over thinking it. Your idea makes it a lot easier.

I don't know what the hell everyone is talking about height being a matter. I am 5'8 and I slept with over 13 new ladies last year. Granted, none of them were taller then me but although my height reduces the potential pool to choose from I don't have any trouble whatsoever.

About game. Yes, you gotta have it, but quit reading about this alpha/beta bull sh*t, random PUA crap and pick up lines. Also, don't choose hobbies just because you think they are trendy and good to talk to about parties.

I am an introvert and I embrace it. I don't really enjoy going to parties, but I also don't sit at home alone on my ass jerking off to porn. I am introverted, yet confident and can display. I know how to flirt with women. I make mistakes and it doesn't always work out, but what the hell.

Ah yeah, and I am not passionate about my job - I just do it because I get paid quite well and it finances my hobbies. By the way, don't talk about job/career/degree with women, just barely scratch that subject.

OP, if you have any questions I am happy to answer those.

Mile PR: 4:08!

Peace out!

"I know a lot of you are thinking"

Nope, I never thought any of that. Getting women is easy.

And I blame disney movies for this situation. It boggles my mind that we are still subjecting our daughters to the whole princess fantasy. Why is a rich woman in a pretty dress who, by fate alone, ends up with a handsome rich prince, considered a good role model for little girls?