No scholarhip money, obviously but what else? Is that it?
No scholarhip money, obviously but what else? Is that it?
What is the main differences? Sharpen up before you attend either.
One is very fast, competitive, and cut throat. The other is about camaraderie, doing your best, and having fun.
Culture is probably a big thing, in both d3 and d1 people want to be good, but top d1 schools have way more talent and work very hard (read Running with the Buffaloes, 70% of that team gets injured) but in the end they become some of the top athletes in the country. Both love the sport, and top d3 schools work incredibly hard as well, just not to the extent as in d1 as the stakes are much higher.
Lower and even middle tier d1 can get readily shown up by top d3 programs too, so keep that in mind.
Also, very few National qualifying d1 schools are great academically (Stanford, BYU, Michigan, Georgetown, are the best), other middle tier academic d1 schools feature you and 300 other students getting taught by a TA. And while having been the 4th man on Southern Utah or NAU or Iona gives you a lot of pride, you won't become a pro runner and won't have that great of a degree.
Main difference? Most D3 teams suck.
D3 is good for the people who don't want running to dictate their college experience.
Preee wrote:
Culture is probably a big thing, in both d3 and d1 people want to be good, but top d1 schools have way more talent and work very hard (read Running with the Buffaloes, 70% of that team gets injured) but in the end they become some of the top athletes in the country. Both love the sport, and top d3 schools work incredibly hard as well, just not to the extent as in d1 as the stakes are much higher.
Lower and even middle tier d1 can get readily shown up by top d3 programs too, so keep that in mind.
Also, very few National qualifying d1 schools are great academically (Stanford, BYU, Michigan, Georgetown, are the best), other middle tier academic d1 schools feature you and 300 other students getting taught by a TA. And while having been the 4th man on Southern Utah or NAU or Iona gives you a lot of pride, you won't become a pro runner and won't have that great of a degree.
People in d1 do not work harder. The main differences are scholarship money and better recruits. People act like top d1 programs are the only programs that also stretch and lift weights.
Probably the girls. At D1 schools runners are treated as gods. I can't begin to tell you the number of hook ups and girls I have thrown at me when I've said "I'n on the track team".
Not all D1 programs give scholarships so that's not an across the board difference. Your cross country regionals and nationals in D3 will be run at 8k rather than at 10k. Your teams are PROBABLY a lot less likely to get whacked because of Title IX in D3 than in D1.
ddj wrote:
Preee wrote:Culture is probably a big thing, in both d3 and d1 people want to be good, but top d1 schools have way more talent and work very hard (read Running with the Buffaloes, 70% of that team gets injured) but in the end they become some of the top athletes in the country. Both love the sport, and top d3 schools work incredibly hard as well, just not to the extent as in d1 as the stakes are much higher.
Lower and even middle tier d1 can get readily shown up by top d3 programs too, so keep that in mind.
Also, very few National qualifying d1 schools are great academically (Stanford, BYU, Michigan, Georgetown, are the best), other middle tier academic d1 schools feature you and 300 other students getting taught by a TA. And while having been the 4th man on Southern Utah or NAU or Iona gives you a lot of pride, you won't become a pro runner and won't have that great of a degree.
People in d1 do not work harder. The main differences are scholarship money and better recruits. People act like top d1 programs are the only programs that also stretch and lift weights.
Another difference: stretching is considered doing "extra hard work" in d3.
Dial it up wrote:
Another difference: stretching is considered doing "extra hard work" in d3.
Why are you quoting/replying to me? Who are you even quoting in"extra hard work"? I don't see that phrase anywhere in this thread?
ddj wrote:
Dial it up wrote:Another difference: stretching is considered doing "extra hard work" in d3.
Why are you quoting/replying to me? Who are you even quoting in"extra hard work"? I don't see that phrase anywhere in this thread?
Don't think exact quotes, think about finger quotes from austin powers when Dr. Evil says "laser beam."
Anyways, I replied to you because you implied that you believe all of us are saying D1 is harder because it also includes stretch and lifting weights.
Obviously an olympic style weight lifting program is a huge part of any decent track team but it is far from the only difference between d1 and d3.
Dial it up wrote:
ddj wrote:Why are you quoting/replying to me? Who are you even quoting in"extra hard work"? I don't see that phrase anywhere in this thread?
Don't think exact quotes, think about finger quotes from austin powers when Dr. Evil says "laser beam."
Anyways, I replied to you because you implied that you believe all of us are saying D1 is harder because it also includes stretch and lifting weights.
Obviously an olympic style weight lifting program is a huge part of any decent track team but it is far from the only difference between d1 and d3.
Then what exactly do you think is harder about d1? Running, cross training, stretching, rehab when you need it. What else is there to do? What else is left that could make it "far from the only difference" (an actual good use of quotes) from d1 running?
No, I didn't run d3. No, plenty of good schools don't do Olympic style weight lifting.
ddj wrote:
Dial it up wrote:Don't think exact quotes, think about finger quotes from austin powers when Dr. Evil says "laser beam."
Anyways, I replied to you because you implied that you believe all of us are saying D1 is harder because it also includes stretch and lifting weights.
Obviously an olympic style weight lifting program is a huge part of any decent track team but it is far from the only difference between d1 and d3.
Then what exactly do you think is harder about d1? Running, cross training, stretching, rehab when you need it. What else is there to do? What else is left that could make it "far from the only difference" (an actual good use of quotes) from d1 running?
No, I didn't run d3. No, plenty of good schools don't do Olympic style weight lifting.
My first post explained to you the difference between the environments and attitudes.
The activities aren't different. However, the training is more, and it is faster. The competition and cut throat nature of the whole thing is much different.
There is a hell of a lot more travel. Running two meets back to back weekends in new york state is different than running two meets back to back weekends at arizona state and florida.
Training with and competing against D1 athletes everyday is tougher than competing against kids who mostly are doing it just for fun.
I am going to venture to say the weight lifting is more intense as well( yes top track teams lift weights, they dont just do circuits)
Generally speaking, scholarship money, more travel, access to bigger meets, more gear, better training facilities, more publicity, training and racing with/against higher level competition.
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I would say culture and coaching. D1 the coach is more than likely going to run their kids into the ground and see who will get drastically better (the rest who don't will just get injured). That was my D1 coach's philosophy. Though our program was terrible. A bunch of close friends in high school who ended up in D3 programs, seemed to have a much slower progression in mileage built up, much more breaks from training to recover, and over all had a steady but slow improvement from high school. I got injured in D1, mentally hated the coaches philosophy, ect. I did have some teammates that got really good really fast, because their body responded, but then got injured after one good season and started over again. My coach looked for the undertrained but talented kids and hoped all the volume would make them really good really fast, it worked about 10% of the time, and the rest got injured/quit. Throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks..
Overall, D3 is more about what you can achieve as an individual at your talent level and the training you can handle, and D1 is seeing who can handle D1 level training, and everyone else is screwed.
former D1 wrote:
I would say culture and coaching. D1 the coach is more than likely going to run their kids into the ground and see who will get drastically better (the rest who don't will just get injured). That was my D1 coach's philosophy. Though our program was terrible. A bunch of close friends in high school who ended up in D3 programs, seemed to have a much slower progression in mileage built up, much more breaks from training to recover, and over all had a steady but slow improvement from high school. I got injured in D1, mentally hated the coaches philosophy, ect. I did have some teammates that got really good really fast, because their body responded, but then got injured after one good season and started over again. My coach looked for the undertrained but talented kids and hoped all the volume would make them really good really fast, it worked about 10% of the time, and the rest got injured/quit. Throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks..
Overall, D3 is more about what you can achieve as an individual at your talent level and the training you can handle, and D1 is seeing who can handle D1 level training, and everyone else is screwed.
Luckily not all, or even a majority of D1 coaches do this. However, that points to another difference. A D1 coach needs to get results or they won't be the coach anymore. A d3 coach, not so much.
Dial it up wrote:
My first post explained to you the difference between the environments and attitudes.
The activities aren't different. However, the training is more, and it is faster. The competition and cut throat nature of the whole thing is much different.
There is a hell of a lot more travel. Running two meets back to back weekends in new york state is different than running two meets back to back weekends at arizona state and florida.
Training with and competing against D1 athletes everyday is tougher than competing against kids who mostly are doing it just for fun.
I am going to venture to say the weight lifting is more intense as well( yes top track teams lift weights, they dont just do circuits)
The training isn't more and it isn't faster. You are just making things up. Substantiate this. From my experiences, there is significant variation between and within divisions.
Also, substantiate your travel claim. From what I can see, many of the top d1 teams only run 1-3 meets per season and it is unfortunately uncommon for them to run all of their runners.
How is traveling across states so much different than within states? Several hours of driving within a state vs 1-2 hours on a plane, but both would leave a day before the meet.
I didn't say that top teams only do circuits. I said not all top teams do Olympic weight lifting so I don't know what you are "yes"-ing about.
If you dont know these things then I can't help you:
1) Faster runners train faster
2) Travelling across multiple time zones is tougher on your body than not
3) Sure there are probably some scrub teams that don't do cleans, snatches, squats etc. But most do.
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