Let's be honest, who won WW II for the Allies?

smart finances wrote:

We couldn't have won it without our dedicated soldiers, but there were soldiers just as dedicated on the other side. So that wasn't the difference.

Our population supported the effort but so did the populations on the other side. That wasn't the difference either.

WW II was won by our business leaders and our scientists. Our business leaders retooled factories and manufactured weapons, tanks, planes at a level that the other side just couldn't match. They were the difference. Our business leaders won WW II.

We owe our freedoms to our business leaders.

look up the truman committee and get back to me

Stalin won it, plus sheer inevitability. Germany was overextended already early on, that's why they crazily invaded Russia to get oil. The Russians moved all their shit east so Barbarossa was doomed to fail eventually, even if the Germans didn't get fixated on Stalingrad.

Plus the Russians kept them out of Moscow with a well-designed system of fortifications.

What other country can you kill 20 million of their people but they keep fighting and beat you?

Here's your answer:

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Russia, something like 2/3rds of the German forces were at the eastern front. the western front was the small picture. Only russia can have 20 million casualties for a longer fight and still manage to beat the US who had only fought for a year or so to berlin

Germany ran out of gas.

Hitler himself...........you fools!

Overall Europe won since Europeans had wrongly scapegoated their own Jews for their troubles and by 1946 the Jews were gone from Europe.

1) Europeans had 20 years from the 1930's to steal Jewish assets and property

2) Stalin and Hitler exterminated every Jew they could find

3) In 1945 the United States exiled the Jews out of Europe

Consequently by 1946

1) Euope was absent of European Jews

2) European Gentiles received a massive windfall of Eupopean Jewish assets and property

This is the right answer.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Stalin won it, plus sheer inevitability. Germany was overextended already early on, that's why they crazily invaded Russia to get oil. The Russians moved all their shit east so Barbarossa was doomed to fail eventually, even if the Germans didn't get fixated on Stalingrad.

Plus the Russians kept them out of Moscow with a well-designed system of fortifications.

What other country can you kill 20 million of their people but they keep fighting and beat you?

deflatagate wrote:

Hitler himself...........you fools!

this is an overlooked answer - Germany lost because Hitler was a Nazi - the Germans had by far the best army, but Hitler made war decisions based on Nazi ideology - again and again. These decisions defeated the Germans more than anything else.

he had his empire by 1940, but then he kept going into Russia, declined to finish off the Brits at Dunkirk out of some sense of racial brotherhood with the English, and stupidly declared war on the US, consistently undermined his generals when they were too pragmatic. etc..

Also, russian bullet catchers (men) and US military supplies.

Each group had plenty of assistance, but the Soviets were the primary force that won in Europe/Africa/the Middle East, while the Americans were the primary force that won in East Asia/the Pacific.

Realistically, WWII was started by Japanese aggression years before Sept. 1, 1939; and of course did not end until the Japanese surrendered.

Hingle McCringleberry wrote:

Russia, something like 2/3rds of the German forces were at the eastern front. the western front was the small picture. Only russia can have 20 million casualties for a longer fight and still manage to beat the US who had only fought for a year or so to berlin

well this is just part of the picture. First of all, the US was supplying russia with billions of dollars of stuff. COuld russia have won without it? maybe. dunno.

And let's accept your 2/3 figure for argument's sake - if the allies had given up and made peace with Germany, that figure would have been 90% and Germany could have held off russia.

it was clearly an allied effort, plus Germany having a seriously deranged leader making one terrible decision after the next.

smart finances wrote:

Our population supported the effort but so did the populations on the other side. That wasn't the difference either.

Here's where you're wrong. WWII represents the single-most united effort by the US population ever. My father was a kid during the war and remembers the rationing cards, the Victory gardens, the kids running around collecting metal cans and aluminum foil, etc. Women taking jobs they'd never held before, freeing men to serve as soldiers and allowing factories to run 24/7. Certainly, business leaders played a big role, cooperating with government planners, but they were only one part of a huge war effort.

If you're interested in the US's role in the Soviet effort, google "lend/lease." Certainly, the Russian's took huge casualties, but their effort would have been much more difficult not only without the military and infrastructure support from the US, but especially the food stuffs. Much of their war was fought on their prime agricultural land, so the tons of food shipped over by the US saved the larger population from wide-spread famine.

As far as US military effort on the so-called western front, the US & British invaded Casablanca well over two years before Germany surrendered. The 15th infantry alone is credited with over 600 days of combat in WW2. I have a 93 year old friend who shipped into the 15th infantry for the Anzio invasion as a second lieutenant, and slogged through Italy, France and into Germany before the surrender. It was a big effort that involved all, but before you diminish the role of actual soldiers, remember that someone had to be the point of the spear.

FYI if no one took the time to look up the truman committee - it found rampant war profiteering and theft among big business - really astonishing stuff - substandard steel, deliberately holding back supplies to increase the price, absurd contracts, supplying germany with needed goods -

sure the big companies did an amazing job at creating the arsenal of democracy, but many stole a crapload of money doing so and many hurt the war effort. It took a strong government to try to catch the corporate fraud. And truman's committee did that --

lessons for today, certainly., American business is the golden goose, but there is no need to coddle it - it needs to be regulated and watched by the government to prevent criminal and negligent behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truman_Committee

The Soviets defeated the Germans. Then killed about 2 million Germans after the war was over.

The USA defeated the Japanese. The dropped two atomic bombs on cities filled with innocent people.

deflatagate wrote:

Hitler himself...........you fools!

+2

This is the correct answer. One of Hitler's top advisors and one of the greatest generals of WWII, Manstien, plead with Adolf to divert armies/supplies from the futile efforts at Leningrad and Moscow to crush Stalingrad and gain access to the vast oil fields of the Caucuses. Obviously Hitler did not listen and his disastrous decision to sacrifice the 6th Army at Stalingrad was the turning point of the war.

agip wrote:

FYI if no one took the time to look up the truman committee - it found rampant war profiteering and theft among big business - really astonishing stuff - substandard steel, deliberately holding back supplies to increase the price, absurd contracts, supplying germany with needed goods -

sure the big companies did an amazing job at creating the arsenal of democracy, but many stole a crapload of money doing so and many hurt the war effort. It took a strong government to try to catch the corporate fraud. And truman's committee did that --

lessons for today, certainly., American business is the golden goose, but there is no need to coddle it - it needs to be regulated and watched by the government to prevent criminal and negligent behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truman_Committee

Man, sometimes you are so balanced, it's scary!

Man O'Man wrote:

agip wrote:

FYI if no one took the time to look up the truman committee - it found rampant war profiteering and theft among big business - really astonishing stuff - substandard steel, deliberately holding back supplies to increase the price, absurd contracts, supplying germany with needed goods -

sure the big companies did an amazing job at creating the arsenal of democracy, but many stole a crapload of money doing so and many hurt the war effort. It took a strong government to try to catch the corporate fraud. And truman's committee did that --

lessons for today, certainly., American business is the golden goose, but there is no need to coddle it - it needs to be regulated and watched by the government to prevent criminal and negligent behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truman_Committee

Man, sometimes you are so balanced, it's scary!

that is one of the best compliments I've ever received - thank you.

smart finances wrote:

We couldn't have won it without our dedicated soldiers, but there were soldiers just as dedicated on the other side. So that wasn't the difference.

Our population supported the effort but so did the populations on the other side. That wasn't the difference either.

WW II was won by our business leaders and our scientists. Our business leaders retooled factories and manufactured weapons, tanks, planes at a level that the other side just couldn't match. They were the difference. Our business leaders won WW II.

We owe our freedoms to our business leaders.

LOL

OK, in Europe, Germany ran out of resources. Amazing that they went on for so long while being vastly outnumbered and facing enemies with staggeringly higher resources. That said, apparently only one little group actually won WWII, considering the way the US is crumbling. Just as they planned, after decades of of behind the scenes subversive work that included the Fed, the Income Tax, and their capper, the Immigration Act of 1965 (after a couple of failed attempts at the same thing in the 20's and 50's, all the while creating myths that they themselves were discriminated against). Do some research kid. No "country" won WWII, everyone was taken for a ride. That Europe is FINALLY waking up to these hypocrites and starting to slide away from their grip - look at the election results the past year or so - is a good sign. Watch the vid, and keep in mind "Christian" is not what the haters of the West are after, they simply hate Europeans. The video would do well to drop "Christian" from the title:

John Blutarsky, Sr.