next year Saarel will defeat ches to become ncaa xc champ

Saarel, if he puts together a year healthy with enough sleep, is probably the second most talented person in the ncaa right now. 7th on four hours of sleep a night is ludicrous.

But Ches is on a whole new level. 24.8 close in the 10,000 is ludicrous. Thats after dropping Kithuka!

Lots of people are talking about how they are surprised that no one else could run a 5:30 2k after such a slow start, but the splits dont tell the whole story. When Ches made his move it was such a quick acceleration, no one could follow. Kebenei tried and got burned. After that he was coasting, and the pack caught up. He clearly wasnt pushing, all the looking back and checking over his shoulder. Ches probably had a 5:12 2k in him if he had been pushed to the line.

Now a lot can happen over a year, injuries, illness, burnout, but if the same Ches from 2014 shows up in 2015, no one else wins. period.

While I agree that Ches is not likely to be beaten, the idea that he was going to run the last 2k in 5:12 on grass is ridiculous.

Not a chance anyone beats Ches. Ches will even take Saarel in the 1500. Also, John Mascari for 2nd next year!

letsracer wrote:

I predict saarel outkicks cheserek in a tactical race, possibly colorado 1 and 2 with mousa, ches is good but he doesn't have farah speed.

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doo doo wrote:

While I agree that Ches is not likely to be beaten, the idea that he was going to run the last 2k in 5:12 on grass is ridiculous.

the idea that Ches nearly ran under the collegiate 1000m record en route to a mile national title is also ridiculous.

All this four hour sleep every day is just crap. I don't buy it school isn't that hard to take that much time

All this four hour sleep every day is just crap. I don't buy it school isn't that hard to take that much time[/quote]

You been posting this same carp every time someone mentions that Ben is entrenched in an insane major. Depending on your major and how much you might want to push it, things can be way hard. A person who has several IB and AP tests with 5's, gos into freshman year taking Trig based, Calc/ based, Neuro Bio etc. Then all your labs. Then it just gets tougher. I don't know where your from or who you are, but 4 hours sleep a night IS BULL. You don't get that much sleep many nights! Then you try to hold the 4.0 and your up all night trying to figure what the 6 point extra credit question will be. Its a total different story for a moron like me. My freshman year, I took English, a lib/ed, a Psych. and some beginning writing class. Its two different worlds. Don't tell me you did it cause your full of it. You got 200 in your Calc/based Physics class and 50 of them are grad. students. The competition is huge. GO DO IT!

Each hour of sleep missed causes a 12% reduction in testosterone production.

On top of that, you need a fresh brain to run well (as the brain must constantly send signals to your muscles). The act of studying itself has been shown to deplete the brain and cause poor performance:

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/how-intense-study-may-harm-our-workouts/

Saarel is essentially anti-doping. I would love to see him run after a period of rested and relaxed training someday.

caesarsghost wrote:

Each hour of sleep missed causes a 12% reduction in testosterone production.

On top of that, you need a fresh brain to run well (as the brain must constantly send signals to your muscles). The act of studying itself has been shown to deplete the brain and cause poor performance:

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/how-intense-study-may-harm-our-workouts/

Saarel is essentially anti-doping. I would love to see him run after a period of rested and relaxed training someday.

So we will assume a fact not in evidence, that Saarel is only sleeping 4 hours a night

And we will imagine he does this over a sustained period of time (like 3 nights in a row) because that would certainly enhance his learning capacity.

And we can further imagine that he is succeeding in maintaining this anti-sleep schedule because he is still in this rigorous program at average state college U.

So let's ramp up the imagination and assert that if he was getting "normal" sleep he would have multiple national championships and Cheserek would be his b*tch, or at least Parker Stinson would be.

Ben Saarel: your imaginary national champion!

I never assumed he could or could not beat Cheserek.

I do, however, believe his performance would improve dramatically if his lifestyle were to allow more sleep and less study, but that is probably not his priority.

I believe the "fact not in evidence" comes from an article about Saarel from a year or so ago. I remember reading it, as I'm sure the OP does. It basically said that Saarel studies around the clock. He's in some tough engineering program, I think. Engineering will kick your ass at pretty much any school. A LOT of engineering students get by on minimal sleep.

I don't buy it wrote:

All this four hour sleep every day is just crap. I don't buy it school isn't that hard to take that much time

Quick guess - you're a student at the University of Oregon?

Come on! You can't make a blanket statement like "school isn't that hard", any more than you can say "working isn't that hard". There's a wide spectrum of possibilities in how one's college experience might be.

Marshall Stacks wrote:

I don't buy it wrote:

All this four hour sleep every day is just crap. I don't buy it school isn't that hard to take that much time

Quick guess - you're a student at the University of Oregon?

Come on! You can't make a blanket statement like "school isn't that hard", any more than you can say "working isn't that hard". There's a wide spectrum of possibilities in how one's college experience might be.

The world is full of college students who get by on 4 hours of sleep a night. And they tell their parents or faculty advisors they spend all thei time studying

No one ever believed it until Ben Saarel fanboys surfaced

Maybe Saarel has a good chance to beat Ches, but everything I've seen from Ches says that he is the most clutch individual around when it comes to championship racing. Always seems incredibly composed and relaxed. I've had yet to see someone run the wheels off of him or out kick him *in a championship race. But I assure you ill be pulling for Saarel this fall!

I have never heard a more exaggerated excuse for not improving than the Saarel one. A very gifted runner, yes? But Plenty. plenty of guys have run at a very high level with challenging studies. and anyone who says they get by on four hours sleep because of academia, is either a horrific time manager or an insomniac. I do not give a hoot what anyone says on this.

No one should have to go to bed at 2-3 in the morning to get college work done. Unless you partied like people I knew back in the day!!.

Trialswatcher wrote:

I have never heard a more exaggerated excuse for not improving than the Saarel one. A very gifted runner, yes? But Plenty. plenty of guys have run at a very high level with challenging studies. and anyone who says they get by on four hours sleep because of academia, is either a horrific time manager or an insomniac. I do not give a hoot what anyone says on this.

No one should have to go to bed at 2-3 in the morning to get college work done. Unless you partied like people I knew back in the day!!.

I saw one of my college teammates do it. Sometimes he would stagger through morning runs because he'd been up all night studying. He may not have been a good time manager, but he ran well when it mattered and got into med school.

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Batcraper wrote:

All this four hour sleep every day is just crap. I don't buy it school isn't that hard to take that much time

You been posting this same carp every time someone mentions that Ben is entrenched in an insane major. Depending on your major and how much you might want to push it, things can be way hard. A person who has several IB and AP tests with 5's, gos into freshman year taking Trig based, Calc/ based, Neuro Bio etc. Then all your labs. Then it just gets tougher. I don't know where your from or who you are, but 4 hours sleep a night IS BULL. You don't get that much sleep many nights! Then you try to hold the 4.0 and your up all night trying to figure what the 6 point extra credit question will be. Its a total different story for a moron like me. My freshman year, I took English, a lib/ed, a Psych. and some beginning writing class. Its two different worlds. Don't tell me you did it cause your full of it. You got 200 in your Calc/based Physics class and 50 of them are grad. students. The competition is huge. GO DO IT![/quote]

Was that supposed to be funny?

For a reasonably bright individual there is no such thing as an "insane major".

However, for someone who has trouble spelling "goes", "you're", "totally" or "it's" perhaps things might seem different. Is Saarel a moron too? If so, I guess your post might make a tiny bit of sense. Otherwise, zero.

No chance Saarel beats Chez. You're either trolling or mentally challenged. 4 hours sleep ( adderall is a hell of a drug).

What is he even majoring in that is so difficult? You do know that there is actually a fair number of high level runners (at better schools) with very difficult majors, too, don't you?... and they seem to handle it just fine...