Everyone ran a 4:30 in HS

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9 years ago 06/26/2014 6:07pm EDT

"How did I know you ran a 4:30 mile in high school? That's easy. Everyone ran a 4:30 mile in high school." - Frank Shorter

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Shorter was saying this to other elites at the time, how those that became pro ran a 4:30 in HS then progressed much more in College.

This seems to be less and less true of professionals today, very few were 'slow' in high school, by the arrogance of many LRC'ers I've seen many say they consider a 4:30 in HS is 'slow' or 'not that great'.

How is it that it is almost becoming a prerequisite to being a professional, or at least very very fast in College, that you also have to be great in HS? - Rupp, Centro, Ritz, Ed Ches, Lalang, Lomong, even Leer was a State champ, etc, etc

Who are some of the recent greats that actually ran a 4:30 in High School?

9 years ago 06/26/2014 6:22pm EDT

re: Red Spirit

I ran four fourty-two in haaah school

I passed Will Leer... I passed the whole damn field

9 years ago 06/26/2014 6:24pm EDT

re: Red Spirit

9 years ago 06/26/2014 6:29pm EDT

re: Red Spirit

I ran 4:22 in high school. Never amounted to much in running. However, my D is huge and my girlfriend loves to drive my car.

9 years ago 06/26/2014 9:34pm EDT

re: Red Spirit

Im in highschool but off the top of my head, Miles Batty, 4:30 in HS, now is running 3:55? Uhm Ben Bruce hardly ran in HS, i think he played golf or some sh*t , but i would definetly consider him elite.

9 years ago 06/27/2014 12:01am EDT

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9 years ago 06/27/2014 12:16am EDT

re: corporate track

I don't get the quote - everyone lied and ran slower, or no one was fast?

I ran 4:11 in HS. I never really got faster. I don't run anymore.

4 years ago 06/19/2019 1:14pm EDT

re: Red Spirit

I ran a 4:30 in high school.

Then a 25:30 8K as a redshirter. Then my "freshman" year I ran a 24:42, but I was on a team of studs, all faster than me. Then I got injured the next year, and the year after, and it was all over. I would have been our top runner as a senior with a 24:42. Instead I was delivering pizzas.

4 years ago 06/19/2019 1:17pm EDT

re: Dee One guy

A team full of studs in 3 years became a team where you could be number If it was really full of studs, you wouldn't have been allowed to walk on with a 4:30

4 years ago 06/19/2019 2:22pm EDT

re: Red Spirit

The reference was to the time period, late '60's to '70's, with poor gear, cinder tracks, no internet-board posting. The only reliable training books was Wilt's "How the Train" middle and long distance volumes or some of the biographies. Road races were deep back then with money starting to be sprinkled about. I was a 4:50 miler and running low 2;20's in the marathon after college. There was one Boston (Seiko beat Rodgers) where I blew up, finished in 2:22 and was 120th or something like that, and no medal, only the top 50 got them back then.

4 years ago 06/19/2019 2:23pm EDT

re: Which school

UTEP won in 1983, and wasn't there in 1987.

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