If LetsRun is a "dingy locker room" what is better?

In all honesty, if the BroJos did any kind of moderating, the site would be a good running community. The thing is, 99% of the threads are non-running related and usually offensive.

Also, the format of the website is beyond horrible. It isn't that hard to get a message board platform from this century (literally).

The ads take it to another level. They drive away most legitimate community members. Even with AB+ and other ad blockers, the experience is just terrible and exhausting.

We all know that the BroJos keep it this way to encourage high page views and comments that ultimately fund their trips to meets around the world. They have found their manner of staying connected to the running world without actually doing anything productive.

TL;DR -- The answer to your question is that a better alternative would be if a "real" web admin was hired to take LRC and bring it into the modern age.

I think controversy brings more people, it doesn't drive people away. Posters always say they are fed up, but we all know that they are only posting under a different name...

This is true. The brojos have sold out their dignity and reputation in exchange for ad revenue generated by a toxic message board.

Hi, I'm new around here. Go easy.

The sarcasm and cynicism has destroyed my faith in humanity. I am leaving this site forever, maybe I'll take up veganism or the triathlon.

Hi, what a cool website, I've never visited this before.

Its the skech wrote:

I think controversy brings more people, it doesn't drive people away. Posters always say they are fed up, but we all know that they are only posting under a different name...

You are 100% right, but I am referring to the actual productive contributors that would actually make this place amazing. They might be here, but they are likely just browsing.

I bet if this place was moderated and logins were required, we would have all the pros and coaches participating.

You are right that more people come - more page views, more hits, more links - but they are of the dingy locker room variety.

I am not even advocating that they do this. I have fun trolling this place. I just know why it is largely thought of as a cesspool.

I don't understand the complaints about ads. I get zero ads on my iPad or MacBook.

The website format is archaic. The editorial attempts are sub junior high level. Seriously, I automatically assume that whatever the Johnsons write is flawed or completely incorrect. Their grasp of grammar and spelling is nonexistent. They have no inkling about logic, mathematics, journalistic ethics or economics. Some of the message threads are amusing, but the good ones usually get yanked.

I don't mind the website format. It's kind of refreshing in contrast to all the flashy "web 2.0" BS you see elsewhere. What I do mind is the autoplay video ads and the random intense racism, both of which make it hard to read the site in public. If your advertiser insists on audio ads, you need to find a new advertiser because that is ruining the site.

after the war wrote:

Seriously, I automatically assume that whatever the Johnsons write is flawed or completely incorrect. Their grasp of grammar and spelling is nonexistent. They have no inkling about logic, mathematics, journalistic ethics or economics. Some of the message threads are amusing, but the good ones usually get yanked.

Can we assume they were legacy admits at Cornell? Or is Cornell (and the Ivy League) not the elite learning institution it claims to be?

Blojos are Racist wrote:

This stems from them being jealous of real athletes. No matter how hard they worked they just didn't have the physical talent to be successful.

Would that be similar to you being jealous of them for putting together the most popular running forum (that you use), since you just didn't have talent or drive or work ethic to come up with anything better?

Blojos are Racist wrote:

Letsrun is the portopotty of any major road race.

The WORST part of this site is the rampant racism. It's disgusting how the blojos encourage the garbage that shows up on their message board.

This stems from them being jealous of real athletes. No matter how hard they worked they just didn't have the physical talent to be successful.

Rojo coaching at Cornell was a joke. At least Cornell wised up and got rid of the dead weight Rojo brought to the team. Im sure Cornell realized they didnt want to be associated with the guy that runs this s-hole.

It amazes me that we get the 'racist' label all the time.

We go out of our way to promote the top KAfrican runners in the world. We just travelled to Jamaica to promote the top sprinters there even though we have stats showing people click on articles about US distance runners.

We delete thousands of racist posts each year and yet somehow get labelled as racists for what other people post on the messageboard.

As for Cornell, I guess you don't realize I was a key part of the most successful run in a men's NCAA sport in the history of the Ivy League.

genuine random a hole wrote:

after the war wrote:

Seriously, I automatically assume that whatever the Johnsons write is flawed or completely incorrect. Their grasp of grammar and spelling is nonexistent. They have no inkling about logic, mathematics, journalistic ethics or economics. Some of the message threads are amusing, but the good ones usually get yanked.

Can we assume they were legacy admits at Cornell? Or is Cornell (and the Ivy League) not the elite learning institution it claims to be?

Wejo was a legacy admit at Yale. His 4.0 Economics GPA and award for the best econ thesis at Yale clearly shows he didn't deserve it.

rojo wrote:

It amazes me that we get the 'racist' label all the time.

We go out of our way to promote the top KAfrican runners in the world. We just travelled to Jamaica to promote the top sprinters there even though we have stats showing people click on articles about US distance runners.

We delete thousands of racist posts each year and yet somehow get labelled as racists for what other people post on the messageboard.

As for Cornell, I guess you don't realize I was a key part of the most successful run in a men's NCAA sport in the history of the Ivy League.

It's obvious that the racism on this board is not under control. It is not dealt with properly. You have had a thread on the board titled 'Black are animals' up for over an hour. If you were serious about stopping racist posts on the board then that OP would be banned.

rojo wrote:

As for Cornell, I guess you don't realize I was a key part of the most successful run in a men's NCAA sport in the history of the Ivy League.

As for Cornell, I guess you don't realize I was a key part of the most successful run in a men's NCAA sport in the history of the Ivy League.[/quote]

I didn't realize that Cornell track won 6 out of 10 NCAA championships like Princeton did in lacrosse between 92 and 01. Or that Cornell won 10 straight Ivy (Heps) like Princeton did in lacrosse between 95 and 04. There have probably been longer streaks in other Ivy sports, but don't let facts get in the way of your puffed up claims.

rojo wrote:

It amazes me that we get the 'racist' label all the time.

We go out of our way to promote the top KAfrican runners in the world. We just travelled to Jamaica to promote the top sprinters there even though we have stats showing people click on articles about US distance runners.

We delete thousands of racist posts each year and yet somehow get labelled as racists for what other people post on the messageboard.

As for Cornell, I guess you don't realize I was a key part of the most successful run in a men's NCAA sport in the history of the Ivy League.

See your point, sort of. Your mods can't delete every thread and every egregious post, because there are so many and they crop up like weeds. It's pervasive to the point that it almost seems like it's condoned. Probably not true but there are times when you wonder.

Realize you guys like the Wild West atmosphere of complete anonymity without accountability, but we see the downside with libelous claims and racism. When these become commonplace then the site does lose credibility.

Registration with zero tolerance (delete threads and ban perpetrators) would cure a lot of it, probably 90-95%. And you could still have anonymity.

That's not perfect, our newspaper had that. Racist comments were immediately taken out. But there was still a lot of blowhardism and bullying. e.g., a cyclist gets hit by a car and there'd be 300 messages applauding the driver and sometimes threats to people who said they preferred to cycle to work or for exercise. So their solution is to link all comments to Facebook accounts. That shut up everyone.

You probably don't want that, but if you really want to clean up this site then some form of registration and accountability are needed.

what about track&fieldnews.com? i like their approach much more than here

Really, it amazes you? That's even more amazing.I have no idea whether you or your brother are racists, but it's somewhat unfathomable that you're "amazed' by the accusations. Do you actually read over the boards on this (i.e., your) website? The fact that you eventually remove some of the rubbish from this site doesn't stand highly in your favor. One would expect that if you were genuinely offended by the racist crap you see on this site, you'd do something to stop it appearing in the first place, not simply let it rack up some web traffic, then (apparently) begrudgingly remove it later.This is your house .. and if you allow people to walk in the front door and sh** all over the place, daily, and you don't set something to stop it from happening, people will rightly call you a slob. With the frequency and the level of racist commentary on these boards, it would be more amazing if you did NOT get labelled racists. You don't even make the slightest effort to at least dissuade the racists from coming by and dropping their crap in the doorway.The 'we go out of our way to promote the top African runners in the world' remark is about as substantial as the "I have black friends" defense, or Sarah Palin's "I have a bunch of gay friends" remark.What do you to promote or discuss African runners who are NOT the best runners in the world?I click on articles about sprinters AND distance runners. :)

rojo wrote:

It amazes me that we get the 'racist' label all the time.

We go out of our way to promote the top KAfrican runners in the world. We just travelled to Jamaica to promote the top sprinters there even though we have stats showing people click on articles about US distance runners.

We delete thousands of racist posts each year and yet somehow get labelled as racists for what other people post on the message board...

1.) Email verified user names.

2.) One day waiting period for new registrants to be able to post.

3.) User ability to hide posters that are inflammatory/off-base/troll

4.) Staff verified "VIP" posters have flair; i.e. Canova

End of racism. Boon to overall atmosphere and value of the board.

Less ad revenue. So fvck having a productive community, right Brojos?

It's a shame that the other running communities are all hobby-jogger types. I hate this place but visit for the 1 out of 30 threads worth scrolling