CHRIS DERRICK and JALEN RUPP something you may not have known

First year out of college, Galen ran 13:07 5k/27:10 10k. Derrick ran 13:08 5k/28:04 10k (hot World Outdoor final).

I do not think we know where Derrick stand on his 10k as he has not had an opportunity to run a fast one in 2013.

I think Derrick and Rupp have very similar talent. I do not see Derrick as being that far ahead of Rupp at this point in his career. I think Rupp will always be better at 10k and Derrick might have better potential at 5k.

Galen Rupp has a coach that is proven to win medals and progress an athlete.

Chris Derrick has a coach that has not proven the above.

Gcol wrote:

Galen Rupp has a coach that is proven to win medals and progress an athlete.

Chris Derrick has a coach that has not proven the above.

Salazar has only done that with one or two guys. It's not like he's got some big lead over Derrick's group. Isnt Teg in that group? I'd argue that Teg's near 3rd in the world champs is on par with anything Rupp has done when adjusting for competition.

Gcol wrote:

Galen Rupp has a coach that is proven to win medals and progress an athlete.

Chris Derrick has a coach that has not proven the above.

This is an excellent observation and points out an important factor in where Derrick ultimately ends up. Comparing one athlete's accomplishments at a particular age to another's is quite silly. Potential doesn't matter - hardware and titles do. I really hope Derrick continues to progress and becomes one of the names on the short list of medal contenders at championship races but he's a long way off from that. Galen is one of the extremely rare exceptions of talented runners who've bridged the gap between potential and accomplishment.

Who is jalen?

Nailin Rupp (from Behind)

Teg was a great world class 5000 man and yes he did better at World's over 5000 than Rupp has done. But his "near 3rd" (we call that 4th in the real world, off the podium) is nowhere near on a par with Rupp's Olympic silver. To suggest this is laughable by any standard.

I get a kick out of Rupp's detractors trying to diminish his accomplishments. If he'd won the OG 10, the detractors would still come up with some baloney about why it's meaningless.

Derrick needs to gain strength to be in the mix at the end of a WC or OG race, and he needs to develop the speed to get on the podium. Will he? Maybe.

Horst Girth wrote:

Teg was a great world class 5000 man and yes he did better at World's over 5000 than Rupp has done. But his "near 3rd" (we call that 4th in the real world, off the podium) is nowhere near on a par with Rupp's Olympic silver. To suggest this is laughable by any standard.

How is that ridiculous? How about you actually substantiate your claim instead of insults.

Teg's field was much stronger than Rupp's field. And saying so doesn't diminish Rupp's accomplishments. It's just an observation. Or do you think it's impossible that there have been races more competitive than Rupp's?

The major marathons this year have been more competitive than Rupp's 10k silver. Does that make Rupp's silver meaningless or diminished? Absolutely not so stop being dumb.

VIPAM wrote:

* Chris Derrick is the AJR at 5000m not Galen Rupp

http://www.tilastopaja.org/db/atm.php?ID=51210&Odd=1

Incorrect. It is indeed Mr. G. Fernandez.

The reason Rupp didn't run faster when he was younger is because Salazar didn't want him to. He purposefully held back Rupp so he would continue improving for longer and make himself look better. If Rupp ran 13:00 at 21 like he was capable of and then just stayed that good for the rest of his career it doesn't look as good for Salazar as it does to have him drop a few seconds every year throughout his career. (even though he still arrives at 13:00 just much later in his career)

OSUalltheway wrote:

Incorrect. It is indeed Mr. G. Fernandez.

GERMAN WHYYYYY

You were the chosen one!

Salazar has only done that with one or two guys. It's not like he's got some big lead over Derrick's group. Isnt Teg in that group? I'd argue that Teg's near 3rd in the world champs is on par with anything Rupp has done when adjusting for competition.[/quote]

In the past two years Salazar has had three guys medal. Centro in the 1500, Farah in the 5k and 10k as well as Rupp in the 10k. Jerry has yet to come anywhere close to this. To add on to that Derrick does not posses the closing speed to win at the highest level and Jerry seems to do little to develop his athlete's kicking ability.

Too soon man. Still broken up about losing to Louisville, don't remind me of the 90s

Canova>God wrote:

Salazar has only done that with one or two guys. It's not like he's got some big lead over Derrick's group. Isnt Teg in that group? I'd argue that Teg's near 3rd in the world champs is on par with anything Rupp has done when adjusting for competition.

In the past two years Salazar has had three guys medal. Centro in the 1500, Farah in the 5k and 10k as well as Rupp in the 10k. Jerry has yet to come anywhere close to this. To add on to that Derrick does not posses the closing speed to win at the highest level and Jerry seems to do little to develop his athlete's kicking ability.[/quote]

What does 'close' mean to you? I think most people would consider 2 and 0 to be close.

And if you'd bothered to read what I posted then you'd see that Jerry has done almost as well as Salazar. Teg's 4th is on par with Rupp's silver. I'm not that familiar with the rest of Jerry's roster so I'll give you that he doesn't have a equivalent for Centro.

Farah was already a sub 13 guy and in the mix in finals before Salazar so he shouldn't count. When you look at Farah's results now compared to a few years ago you'll see that he hasn't improved as much as he's lost competition.

German Rupp

let"s run is a modern tech bathroom stall

don't write on it and think your stall writing will be respected

Stalin Cupp?

MAPIV wrote:

My what a dunce you are. Chris Derrick is never going to win a global title. You are really an idiot.

Billy Mills never won a major championship until he won the gold.

halfhourbauer wrote:

MAPIV wrote:

My what a dunce you are. Chris Derrick is never going to win a global title. You are really an idiot.

Billy Mills never won a major championship until he won the gold.

Which proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that every single professional runner (Americans only, of course) is likely to win a gold medal at the Olympics.

Just love your logic.