who else? wrote:
Here's a list of the fastest miles ever run:
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_mileok.htmThe only people ahead of Webb are El G, Ngeny, Morceli, Cram, Komen, and Vénuste Niyongabo. Since most people agree EPO was rampant in the 1990s and we all but know the british trio were doping, wouldn't that mean Webb would be the clean WR holder if indeed he was clean?
Another we do do we??!!
Nothing indicates that Ovett, Coe, Cram, Elliot or Moorcroft took anything. ALL trained under (with) different coaches/people and it shows what can happen (as is happening to a limited degree in the US now, except too many people think it should be from 2-3 training groups, which makes suspicion even higher) when talented people in the same country want to make National teams. e.g. Morcroft moved up to 5000m (WR 13.00, 30 years ago in 1982) since he couldn't make a National team in the 1500m, after winning the CG 1500m in 1978, from 1980 onwards. Cram wasn't even the fastest 1500m/miler his age, his competition (Graham Williamson) also ran the equivalent of 3.53 for the mile (like Webb) as a Junior (3.36 1500m, which is the British Junior record), yet this kid couldn't make the National squad either!! That kind of depth (much like the Africans who can keep fast marathoners off the Olympic teams when they could easily make those of other countries) is what makes athletes at the WC level. Unfortunately for Britain those days are gone (save for Mo Farah).
Just because EPO exists doesn't mean everyone has to take it, only the losers (and XC skiers/Cyclists) who haven't the balls to train limit themselves to it. I know guys who are sub-elite (~13.20 for 5000m) who had little talent (~15-16min 5k in HS) who trained hard to get to that limited level. No reason why more talented athletes can't get to an even better level.
The problem in the US are there are (obviously) only a handful of coaches who can develop top athletes (all in just a few training groups), when there should be hundreds of coaches given the system supported by the NCAA. That there aren't even more athletes at the top is testament to the weak structure in US development, and it starts with the USATF. NO governing body should be subservient to the College system (as so obviously is the case) in terms of development - the USATF should be telling the Colleges what needs to be done, not the other way around. That is why there is so much wasted talent in the NCAA. That is why guys like Rupp stand out SO much, and that a no-name like Cam Levins can win at that level (NCAA) after being almost an also-ran in a Canadian HS, training in isolated Southern Utah by himself.
Also, as long as the HS/College mindset of the "team is everything", at the expense of individual development persists, then you get what "you pay for". Good for Mary Cain for bucking that trend (and Ajee Wilson) maybe they will escape the Bermuda triangle known as the NCAA experience (good for a few, bad for too many).