bigtool
WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 7:48AM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Did anyone see the link that the brojos posted on the front page?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323820104578215902014461888.html

Anyone else think this article is absolutely asinine and incredibly ignorant? First she say's that AP's 40 time of 4.38 converts to an 11.98 100m. How the hell does that math work out? Then she claims that AP would have a better shot against Bolt in the 200 and 400. Why would a guy whose entire career has been based on short, explosive bursts of speed be better at longer sprints than shorter ones? The article also includes data on the longest NFL touchdown runs in the 2012 season and how much time they took. How is that relevant to the debate in the slightest? What does the amount of time a guy took to run 90 meters on a field, wearing pads and a helmet, carrying a ball, while dodging defenders have to do with how fast he'd run in a track race?
fjfdurhghg
RE: WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 8:04AM - in reply to bigtool Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
40 yards = 36.58 meters

36.58 m / 4.38 sec = 8.352 m/s

100 m / 8.352 m/s = 11.97 seconds
jwlkerkjwer
RE: WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 8:56AM - in reply to fjfdurhghg Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Doesn't account for the time it takes to start. I'd chop off my leg if AP couldn't break 11 in the 100 right now.
i kinda like running
RE: WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 9:09AM - in reply to bigtool Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Yes, that conversion is way off. You can't simply convert a 40y time to 100m by multiplying the distance. Obviously that doesn't account for the acceleration from a standing start. Adrian Peterson could easily run under 11.

That said, with all due respect to one of the greatest RBs in NFL history, AP is not going to make the US Olympic squad at any distance in 2016.
bigtool
RE: WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 9:44AM - in reply to fjfdurhghg Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

fjfdurhghg wrote:

40 yards = 36.58 meters

36.58 m / 4.38 sec = 8.352 m/s

100 m / 8.352 m/s = 11.97 seconds


True. I was thinking of 40 meters, not 40 yards. But still, the author seems oblivious to the fact that speed isn't constant throughout a 100 m race. According to the author's math, guys like Trindon Holliday and Jacoby Ford are only 11.8 and 11.7 100m guys, yet both have run well under the Olympic A standard.
fjfdurhghg
RE: WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 10:30AM - in reply to bigtool Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
She certainly does. When Usain Bolt ran 9.58 his 40 meter split was 4.64. AP's would have been 4.78 if he maintained speed through 40 meters. Any thoughts on what AP could run? I'm thinking in the 10.5s.

Usain Bolt
Dist Time Split
Reaction time 0.146 s
10m 1.85 s 1.704 s
20m 2.89 s 1.04 s
30m 3.78 s 0.89 s
40m 4.64 s 0.86 s
50m 5.49 s 0.85 s
60m 6.31 s 0.82 s
70m 7.11 s 0.80 s
80m 7.92 s 0.81 s
90m 8.74 s 0.82 s
100m 9.58 s 0.84 s
high school harry 40yd dash
RE: WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 10:39AM - in reply to fjfdurhghg Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Don't forget that 40yd dash times DO NOT include reaction time. It's a "go when you're ready" situation, even when FAT timed.
bigtool
RE: WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 10:55AM - in reply to fjfdurhghg Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

fjfdurhghg wrote:

She certainly does. When Usain Bolt ran 9.58 his 40 meter split was 4.64. AP's would have been 4.78 if he maintained speed through 40 meters. Any thoughts on what AP could run? I'm thinking in the 10.5s.

Usain Bolt
Dist Time Split
Reaction time 0.146 s
10m 1.85 s 1.704 s
20m 2.89 s 1.04 s
30m 3.78 s 0.89 s
40m 4.64 s 0.86 s
50m 5.49 s 0.85 s
60m 6.31 s 0.82 s
70m 7.11 s 0.80 s
80m 7.92 s 0.81 s
90m 8.74 s 0.82 s
100m 9.58 s 0.84 s


If you give AP a .15 reaction time and extrapolate the difference between him and Bolt out to 100 m then you get about a 10.3. However, AP would probably lose a little speed in the last 20-30 meters. I'd agree that he's probably good for a 10.5 right now.
LI Runner
RE: WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 11:13AM - in reply to bigtool Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It would be a great exhibition, even get Chris Johnson in there and an American sprinter too (Tyson Gay).

It would get the interest of many NFL fans and show how fast these sprinters really are.


Publicity, publicity, publicity.
bangalangadanga
RE: WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 11:34AM - in reply to LI Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'd love to see bolt vs 7 of the fastest guys the NFL has to offer. Bolt would be so far ahead he'd decide to do a cartwheel across the finish line.
i kinda like running
RE: WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 4:12PM - in reply to high school harry 40yd dash Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

high school harry 40yd dash wrote:

Don't forget that 40yd dash times DO NOT include reaction time. It's a "go when you're ready" situation, even when FAT timed.


You're right. But that fact still doesn't make the author's 11.98 estimation any less idiotic. Again, Adrian Peterson isn't going to make the US Olympic sprint team. But implying that he's an 11.9 guy is asinine. He's easily good for 10.5 right now. With proper training he might be able to scare 10 flat, but if he does venture into the track world I predict a best of 10.2
AP Fan
RE: WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 4:19PM - in reply to bigtool Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
AP has no realistic chance of beating Bolt because however much he trained or however you convert times, he's not going under 10 seconds at this stage of his life, with his injuries, lack of specific training, etc.

I don't hold the talk against AP, however, because that's part of what makes great athletes great --- dreaming big and refusing to recognize limitations and they sometimes surprise people by doing that.
Darwinian
RE: WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 4:35PM - in reply to bigtool Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
One thing not mentioned is that the 40 yard dash at the NFL combine is run on turf, not a track. It's a measure of speed on the playing field and that has to factor in when comparing to a sprinter who competes on a track. I'm not saying that AD could beat Bolt, but that writer is ignorant to think that he couldn't run 10.3 on a modern track.

Here's RGIII's 40 yard dash from the combine. He ran it in 4.41. I tried finding Peterson's, but had no luck.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wWr0H5NHO4&feature=related#/watch?v=-wWr0H5NHO4&feature=related
Bad Wigins
RE: WSJ article on AP vs. Bolt 1/3/2013 6:37PM - in reply to Darwinian Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Better question is could Bolt play football

Answer is no, so an even better question is, what if football was on a 1000 yard field, 500 yards wide?

And the football was a golf disc that could be thrown over 100 yards with ease.

Not ultimate. Still tackle football.