lasse was/is a very congenial but private man, though i have not spoken with him in at least 20 years. however, as i said, he was and is a finn- meaning he's a cheat. finns always have been and always will be. maybe too close to russia, i suppose. lasse and pekka both had help in the chemical department. i'm sure i'll get beat up on this board for saying that, but i couldn't care f***ing less. i was there, i was around it, and even shudder to say that i came extremely close to partaking. lasse was at the very tail end of his career when i was in the middle. we were never friends per se, only acquaintances because of the international circuit (though lasse raced very sparingly). it is a misnomer that he was trained by lydiard. lydiard had only gone to finland to plant his ideas as a part of a national program. he was NOT viren's coach. lasse was coached by a kindly gent whose name escapes me- both he and lasse came from the same town called myrskyla. one of lasse's staple workouts was a session of 20x200 with 1 minute recovery. he was extremely pulse conscious. right before he broke the world record for 2 miles (8:14?) he ran the session at a average pulse post interval of around 160- the times of his repeats i also do not remember (alot of water under the bridge from those days!), though they were obviously significantly under 30 seconds. malmo would be a good man to ask regarding viren's training, as he seems to be a real student of the sport- and actually someone of the same era as myself. malmo can verify i'm sure of all the aforementioned. drugs were a real temptation. i just couldn't bring myself to do it. those athletes are now paying for it with their health, while i'm just an old bitchy physician who still is able to grab a track session by the scruff of the neck!