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just a ponderer
Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/14/2012 6:01PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Just wondering who the top juniors in the country are. We all know of Cheserek and Bernie montoya. Who else? What will footlocker XC look like next year?
Rasputin
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/14/2012 6:35PM - in reply to just a ponderer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Jake Leingang is a beast from North Dakota, I think. Fourth at FL last year and third (9:01) at brooks PR this winter. He's shown he can mix it up with the big boys.
GR Runner
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/14/2012 6:47PM - in reply to just a ponderer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Erin Finn of West Bloomfield, Mich. Footlocker National girls runnerup in cross in December; smashed the U.S. high school girls indoor 5000 record by more than 15 seconds in New York this winter with a 16:19.69.
smitty werbenjagermanjensen
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/14/2012 6:48PM - in reply to just a ponderer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
ben malone
jacob burcham
Blake Haney (soph)
Best of Virginia
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/14/2012 7:29PM - in reply to smitty werbenjagermanjensen Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Pretty good national rankings:
Sean McGorty 4:12
Patrick Joseph 4:13
Nick Link 9:11
Ronnie Calkins 9:11
pa watcher
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/14/2012 7:39PM - in reply to Best of Virginia Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
tom coyle of lasalle high school in pa ran a 412 1600m split at penn relays and a 416 indoors. look for him on the big stage next year
Michigan man
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/14/2012 7:46PM - in reply to just a ponderer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Connor Mora and Tanner Hinkle of Michigan are up there
Mora 4:13 1600
Hinkle 9:14 3200
For a state with less than ideal conditions, great times
asjfdhgknd
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/14/2012 8:17PM - in reply to Michigan man Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Andres Arroyo out of Florida has some of the sickest range i've seen. 14:595k XC, 9:10 3200, 4:11 1600, 1:51.04 open 800 (probably faster in 4x8 split's since his team is 7:40!), and he's split 49 in 4x4's before! deffinitily one of the nation's top milers next year
Best of Virginia
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/14/2012 8:22PM - in reply to Best of Virginia Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Thomas Madden 8:59 and Footlocker Finalist along with McGorty
(thought Madden was a senior)
mo runner
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/14/2012 8:49PM - in reply to Best of Virginia Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Amos Bartelsmeyer, from St. Louis, MO, has run 4:12.94, 1:54.79, and 49.85. He is a beast of a middle distance runner.
watchout
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/14/2012 10:31PM - in reply to just a ponderer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This would be my QUICK current list for Juniors in XC next year... didn't take into account altitude adjustments or any state XC meets, just track times and NXN/FLN Final races during the 2011-2012 school year. The one exception is including Andres Arroyo, since he should obviously be included. Note, though, that with such a strong Soph class this year... not all these guys will necessarily make it to nationals in either event they choose.

Included are (IMO conservative) projected times for nationals, if the courses run the same as they did this year.



1 - Edward Cheserek - St. Benedict's Prep NJ - 14:41 FLN - 14:50 NXN
2 - Nick Ryan - Fayetteville-Manlius NY - 15:09 FLN - 15:19 NXN
3 - Bernie Montoya - Cibola AZ - 15:10 FLN - 15:20 NXN
4 - Jake Leingang - Bismarck ND - 15:10 FLN - 15:20 NXN
5 - Andrew Gardner - Mead WA - 15:11 FLN - 15:21 NXN
6 - Josh Brickell - Peachtree Ridge GA - 15:12 FLN - 15:22 NXN
7 - Sean McGorty - Chantilly VA - 15:17 FLN - 15:27 NXN
8 - Ryan Teel - Friendswood TX - 15:20 FLN - 15:30 NXN
9 - Zach Perrin - Flathead MT - 15:22 FLN - 15:32 NXN
10 - Jack Keelan - St. Ignatius IL - 15:23 FLN - 15:33 NXN
11 - Andres Arroyo - Colonial FL - 15:24 FLN - 15:34 NXN
12 - Thomas Madden - Skyline VA - 15:24 FLN - 15:34 NXN
13 - Joe Sansone - Southlake Carroll TX - 15:25 FLN - 15:35 NXN
14 - Jacob Thomson - Holy Cross KY - 15:27 FLN - 15:37 NXN
15 - Brock Baker - Oakland TN - 15:27 FLN - 15:37 NXN
16 - Brayden McLelland - American Fork UT - 15:29 FLN - 15:39 NXN
17 - Jacob Burcham - Cabell Midland WV - 15:31 FLN - 15:41 NXN
18 - Robert Domanic - Lewisville Hebron TX - 15:31 FLN - 15:41 NXN
19 - Jack Boyle - Christian Brothers NJ - 15:32 FLN - 15:42 NXN
20 - Ben Saarel - Park City UTY - 15:33 FLN - 15:43 NXN
21 - Chandler Diffee - Madison LaFollette WI - 15:33 FLN - 15:43 NXN
22 - Jonathan Green - St. John's MA - 15:34 FLN - 15:44 NXN
23 - Connor Sorrells - Barr Reeve IN - 15:35 FLN - 15:45 NXN
24 - Tyler Yunk - Belvidere North IL - 15:36 FLN - 15:46 NXN
25 - Eric Holt - Carmel NY - 15:37 FLN - 15:47 NXN
26 - Nate Sullivan - Southlake Carroll TX - 15:37 FLN - 15:47 NXN
27 - Brayden Cromar - Davis UT - 15:37 FLN - 15:47 NXN
28 - Daniel Galford - Monsignor Farrell NY - 15:38 FLN - 15:48 NXN
29 - Kris Moran - North Babylon NY - 15:39 FLN - 15:49 NXN
30 - Wayde Hall - Stillwater MN - 15:40 FLN - 15:50 NXN
Had Some Myself
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/14/2012 11:00PM - in reply to watchout Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
From Washington State (as Watchout knows):

Junior Andrew Gardner has run 9:0x 3200m each of the last three years, and has improved his mile (imperial) down to 4:10 this spring.

Sophomore Joe Hardy has run 4:09 1600m & 9:07 3200m.

Sophomore Kai Wilmot has run 4:18 1600m & 8:57 3200m.
footlocker 2012xc
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/16/2012 2:00PM - in reply to watchout Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
What do you think the FL meet will look like next year including kids of all ages so current sophs (will be juniors) and put them into the list of the kids above?
watchout
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/16/2012 5:11PM - in reply to footlocker 2012xc Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
footlocker 2012xc wrote:

What do you think the FL meet will look like next year including kids of all ages so current sophs (will be juniors) and put them into the list of the kids above?


Impossible to say without knowing what kids plan to go to FLN or NXN. Several of those listed, though, are almost certainly going to NXN (Fayetteville-Manlius, Southlake Carroll, Christian Brothers, Davis, American Fork, Bismarck, and Stillwater are all probably going to very serious threats to qualify as teams, and a couple of the others are potentially threats as well)
watchout
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/16/2012 6:18PM - in reply to watchout Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Did this pretty quick, very well could have missed some runners... I apparently did last time.

Didn't check the Footlocker Regional races or most of the state meets either. So this is mostly track '12, and XC Nationals '11, plus Arroyo.

Marks from XC assume modest improvement.

Times are set to "FLN 2011 - NXN 2011"


1 - Cheserek, Edward - 2013 - St. Benedict's Prep, NJ - 14:40 - 14:50
2 - Ryan, Nick - 2013 - Fayetteville-Manlius, NY - 15:08 - 15:18
3 - Leingang, Jake - 2013 - Bismarck, ND - 15:09 - 15:19
4 - Montoya, Bernie - 2013 - Cibola, AZ - 15:10 - 15:20
5 - Gardner, Andrew - 2013 - Mead, WA - 15:11 - 15:21
6 - Brickell, Josh - 2013 - Peachtree Ridge, GA - 15:12 - 15:22
7 - McGorty, Sean - 2013 - Chantilly, VA - 15:16 - 15:26
8 - Teel, Ryan - 2013 - Friendswood, TX - 15:20 - 15:30
9 - Haney, Blake - 2014 - Stockdale, CA - 15:21 - 15:31
10 - Wharton, Sam - 2013 - Tippecanoe, OH - 15:21 - 15:31
11 - Perrin, Zach - 2013 - Flathead, MT - 15:22 - 15:32
12 - Keelan, Jack - 2013 - St. Ignatius, IL - 15:23 - 15:33
13 - Arroyo, Andres - 2013 - Colonial, FL - 15:24 - 15:34
14 - Madden, Thomas - 2013 - Skyline, VA - 15:24 - 15:34
15 - Sansone, Joe - 2013 - Southlake Carroll, TX - 15:24 - 15:34
16 - Wilmot, Kai - 2014 - North Central, WA - 15:26 - 15:36
17 - Diffee, Chandler - 2013 - Madison LaFollette, WI - 15:26 - 15:36
18 - Thomson, Jacob - 2013 - Holy Cross, KY - 15:27 - 15:37
19 - Baker, Brock - 2013 - Oakland, TN - 15:27 - 15:37
20 - McLelland, Brayden - 2013 - American Fork, UT - 15:28 - 15:39
21 - Boyle, Jack - 2013 - Christian Brothers, NJ - 15:30 - 15:40
22 - Domanic, Robert - 2013 - Hebron, TX - 15:30 - 15:40
23 - Martinez, Luis - 2013 - Cleveland, NM - 15:30 - 15:40
24 - Burcham, Jacob - 2013 - Cabell Midland, WV - 15:30 - 15:40
25 - Beck, Wolfgang - 2014 - Gig Harbor, WA - 15:30 - 15:41
26 - De La Rosa, Estevanio - 2014 - Arcadia, CA - 15:32 - 15:42
27 - Diffee, Chandler - 2013 - Lafollette, WI - 15:32 - 15:42
28 - Saarel, Ben - 2013 - Park City, UT - 15:32 - 15:43
29 - Green, Jonathan - 2013 - St. John's, MA - 15:33 - 15:43
30 - Sorrells, Connor - 2013 - Barr Reeve, IN - 15:35 - 15:45
31 - Yunk, Tyler - 2013 - Belvidere North, IL - 15:35 - 15:45
32 - Hardy, Joe - 2014 - Seattle Prep, WA - 15:36 - 15:46
33 - Sullivan, Nate - 2013 - Southlake Carroll, TX - 15:36 - 15:46
34 - Cromar, Brayden - 2013 - Davis, UT - 15:36 - 15:46
35 - Galford, Daniel - 2013 - Monsignor Farrell, NY - 15:37 - 15:47
Hellfromabove
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/16/2012 6:48PM - in reply to watchout Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Nick Ryan, FM, 9:04 3200 last weekend at the Oneida Invite. Every few years an Aris senior jumps from great to champion in one or two championship races. I'm putting my money on Aris having him at low to mid 8:50s by end of season.

Ryan also ran 4:14 1600 a few weeks back, and for a guy his size, this is more impressive to me than his 3200. If he goes that route, I'd be surpirsed with a huge jump, but sub 4:10 Is certainly realistic for him.

As a senior, this kid could do very big things. He is a strength runner, in a strength program. Would be great to see him join Hatz at Wisco Under Byrne in 2013.
Kanye North
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/16/2012 7:28PM - in reply to Hellfromabove Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Connor Sorrells (Barr-Reeve, IN) -- 4:13/9:02 already this year -- still early in Indiana since the state tournament hasn't started. (Interesting note: Barr-Reeve is a school with about 300 total kids).

Troy Reeder (Hamilton Southeaster, IN) -- 4:10/9:13 and 3rd in Indiana in cross country this year. (Watchout: he should be on your list; that 3200 time is from a dual meet and would drop against competition).
Kanye North
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/16/2012 7:37PM - in reply to Kanye North Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Also:

Matt Dorsey (Lawrence Central) 4:11
Jacob Poyner (Warsaw) 4:12

Those two are good milers right now but aren't expected to be national-level XC guys.
watchout
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/16/2012 7:40PM - in reply to Kanye North Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Kanye North wrote:

Connor Sorrells (Barr-Reeve, IN) -- 4:13/9:02 already this year -- still early in Indiana since the state tournament hasn't started. (Interesting note: Barr-Reeve is a school with about 300 total kids).

Troy Reeder (Hamilton Southeaster, IN) -- 4:10/9:13 and 3rd in Indiana in cross country this year. (Watchout: he should be on your list; that 3200 time is from a dual meet and would drop against competition).


The list cuts off at equivalents of about 9:05 for 3200m... that's why Sorrell's 9:02 only gets him #30.
watchout
RE: Top HS Juniors in the Nation 5/16/2012 7:44PM - in reply to Kanye North Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I used these cut-offs to get my top 37:

NXN - 16:01.09
FLN - 15:50.69
5k - 14:42.45
2 Mile - 9:08.25
3200m - 9:05.00
3k - 8:27.64
Mile - 4:06.71
1600m - 4:05.25
1500m - 3:48.44



Also, note that I accidentally included Diffee twice (#27 is the lower mark). So move everyone at #28+ up one and add in Omar Caro (Notre Vista CA) @ 15:38/15:48 for his 9:04.68 (3200m).
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